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Old 08-07-2012, 04:38 PM   #1
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After having trouble getting a custom tune to stop pinging,I decided to man up and manually adjust the settings using my SCT SF3/X3tuner. I tried several tunes and allwere causing pinging at WOT when you tromp the gas right after switchinggears. For me, this was 2nd to 3rd aswell as 3rd to 4th. After changing tocopper plugs per Bama's request and making sure there was not something elsecausing this, here is what I did. I liketo be conservative, so I chose a 91 octane racing tune to start with.

I'll assume you know how to connect and get the tuner readyto flash your ECU. Once you select yourtune and continue, select YES to Adjust Additional Options. Here are the menu options.

GLOBAL TIMING
-14
-13
-12
-11
-10
-9
-8
-7
-6
-5
-4
-3
-2
-1
0

SPARK 0 – 2000
-14
-13
-12
-11
-10
-9
-8
-7
-6
-5
-4
-3
-2
-1
0

SPARK 2000 –4000
-8
-7
-6
-5
-4
-3
-2
-1
0

SPARK 4000 –8000
-8
-7
-6
-5
-4
-3
-2
-1
0

WOT AIR/FUEL
0.0 Richer
2.0 Richer
4.0 Richer
6.0 Richer
8.0 Richer
10.0 Richer
12.0 Richer
14.0 Richer

AXLE RATIO
Stock
2.73
3.08
3.27
3.31
3.55
3.73
3.90
4.00
4.10
4.30
4.56
4.88
5.13

TIREREVS/MILE
Stock
500
505
Continues to900 in 5 rev increments

SPEED LIMIT
20MPH
25MPH
Continues to125MPH in 5MPH increments
Speed LimitOff

REV LIMIT DRV
6050RPM
6150RPM
Continues to 8050RPMin 100RPM increments

REV LIMIT NEU
2500RPM
2600RPM
Continues to8000RPM in 100RPM increments

IDLE SPEEDDRV
360RPM
410RPM
Continues to 1160RPMin 50RPM increments

IDLE SPEEDNEU
504RPM
554RPM
Continues to 1304RPMin 50RPM increments

LOW SPEED FAN
170degF
172degF
Continues to 230degFin 2degF increments

HIGH SPEEDFAN
180degF
182degF
Continues to 240degFin 2degF increments

Since my pinging occured in the area every time, I decided to try "-3" setting in the SPARK 4000 - 8000 option group. This retards the timing that Bama set in the original tune by 3 degrees in the 4000 to 8000RPM range. So far, this has worked for me.

This method of adjusting your tune would be used if you were to purchase new tires and you happened to change from 45 series to a 40 series tire. You would want to update the revs per mile number.

If you happen to upgrade your radiator and cooling fan, you might want to change when your cooling fan comes on.

I welcome opinions, questions, suggestions, examples, etc. I'd like for this to help other members with their tuning.
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awsome man. i am still a little dissapointed bama couldnt figure this out. but it makes perfect sense. its basically the same way we would have have adjusted put detonation if we were using a mechanical advance or just basically setting timing.

good information azure. hopefully this helps someone else out.
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good write up azure!!
im pretty stoked on my up coming little build.
does the sct tuner have the adjustable launch control system thing? and if so is it fairly simple to use and does it work good?
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What are the best options to adjust on ur own on the SCT tuner that you guys know?
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My tune is for stock tires but I have 245/ 9" front tires 315/ 10 1/2 rear what should I change to adjust from being programmed for stock tires?
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awsome man. i am still a little dissapointed bama couldnt figure this out. but it makes perfect sense. its basically the same way we would have have adjusted put detonation if we were using a mechanical advance or just basically setting timing.

good information azure. hopefully this helps someone else out.
Thanks dream!

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good write up azure!!
im pretty stoked on my up coming little build.
does the sct tuner have the adjustable launch control system thing? and if so is it fairly simple to use and does it work good?
If I'm not mistaken, the IDLE SPEED NEU option group sorta works like a launch control in that you are setting your peak RPMs in neutral. So if you set this limit to 3000RPM, you can floor it and the RPMs will never exceed 3000RPM. The rev limiter would essentially be set to 3000RPM. I'm assuming that there is a sensor on the input shaft that detects forward (or backward) motion. This is a guess, there could be another method used to determine driving motion. I remember this was one of the questions you are asked when you give Bama your initial information. I believe DaBlueDude has this feature set and it has worked for him.
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My tune is for stock tires but I have 245/ 9" front tires 315/ 10 1/2 rear what should I change to adjust from being programmed for stock tires?
I noticed my initial settings are shown as "stock" for many of these options. I think Bama sets the options based on your information you give them in their program, so the ouput shows as a stock setting. For instance, my gear ratio was shown as stock, but it's 3.73. But, the speedo works fine. When I changed it to 3.73 (just to see), there was no difference in the speedo that I could tell.

A tire rev per mile calculator would help you get you revs per mile setting. I believe Tire Barn has a calc on there website, but here's one...

Tire Calculator

Here's an example from the link above...
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I never had any trouble with pinging,,I did try to play with the numbers a little,,but i had it all screwed up,,so i went with their numbers,,But i know when you get the ford supercharger kit the tuner is useless ,,they say you have to remove the tune and reload completly different programmer
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Thanks dream!

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If I'm not mistaken, the IDLE SPEED NEU option group sorta works like a launch control in that you are setting your peak RPMs in neutral. So if you set this limit to 3000RPM, you can floor it and the RPMs will never exceed 3000RPM. The rev limiter would essentially be set to 3000RPM. I'm assuming that there is a sensor on the input shaft that detects forward (or backward) motion. This is a guess, there could be another method used to determine driving motion. I remember this was one of the questions you are asked when you give Bama your initial information. I believe DaBlueDude has this feature set and it has worked for him.
Okay thanks, I'm gettin one in a few weeks. Ima get the tuner.gear combo
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What are the best options to adjust on ur own on the SCT tuner that you guys know?
You can do a Strategy Tune from with the tuners. This has a few more options that you can adjust. One is you can turn off the traction control, so it's off by default. All the options in this thread are present, but unfortunately, I did not see any way to advance timing. You can only ****** timing. If they had advance timing options in the tuner, it would be perfect for users to tune the cars themselves. That would be good for maybe someone who performed an engine swap.

Your best bet would be to buy a tuner with custom tunes and make adjustments to the canned tunes that is provided with the tuner that are specific for your car.

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I never had any trouble with pinging,,I did try to play with the numbers a little,,but i had it all screwed up,,so i went with their numbers,,But i know when you get the ford supercharger kit the tuner is useless ,,they say you have to remove the tune and reload completly different programmer
I believe you can tell Bama of your added mods and they can create new tunes for your car. You'd think they could accomodate something as popular of a mod as a supercharger. Do you have a really old tuner?
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After having trouble getting a custom tune to stop pinging,I decided to man up and manually adjust the settings using my SCT SF3/X3tuner. I tried several tunes and allwere causing pinging at WOT when you tromp the gas right after switchinggears. For me, this was 2nd to 3rd aswell as 3rd to 4th. After changing tocopper plugs per Bama's request and making sure there was not something elsecausing this, here is what I did. I liketo be conservative, so I chose a 91 octane racing tune to start with.

I'll assume you know how to connect and get the tuner readyto flash your ECU. Once you select yourtune and continue, select YES to Adjust Additional Options. Here are the menu options.

]Since my pinging occured in the area every time, I decided to try "-3" setting in the SPARK 4000 - 8000 option group. This retards the timing that Bama set in the original tune by 3 degrees in the 4000 to 8000RPM range. So far, this has worked for me.


This method of adjusting your tune would be used if you were to purchase new tires and you happened to change from 45 series to a 40 series tire. You would want to update the revs per mile number.

If you happen to upgrade your radiator and cooling fan, you might want to change when your cooling fan comes on.

I welcome opinions, questions, suggestions, examples, etc. I'd like for this to help other members with their tuning.
Azure,

Thanks for the feedback, this is important to us. I'm sorry to hear that we couldn't to get your tune right. Pulling some spark will definitely eliminate the pinging. I'm confident that my head tuning specialist Mike Wilson will be able to get your tune right. Shoot me over a PM with your order number included and I'll have him contact you directly.

We appreciate your patience while we get you taken care of. If you need immediate assistance. Our Bama Performance tuning specialists are here in the building Monday-Friday from 9AM-5:30PM EST and Saturday 10AM-3PM EST. You can hit them up directly at 888.226.9764 and ask for Mike.

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I appreciate your feedback, this is very important to us. I'm sorry to hear we weren't able to get your tune right. Pulling some spark will definitely eliminate the pinging. I'm confident that my head tuning specialist Mike Wilson will be able to get your tune right. Shoot me over a PM with your order number included and I'll have him contact you directly.

We appreciate your patience while we get your situation handled. If you need immidate assistance. Our Bama Performance tuning specialists are here in the building Monday-Friday from 9AM-5:30PM EST and Saturday 10AM-3PM EST. You can hit them up directly at 888.226.9764 and ask for Mike.

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Poor azure did the data logging along with rewriting his tune multiple times. In sure this is rare. But at least he was able to adjust the pinging out on his own.
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Azure,

Thanks for the feedback, this is important to us. I'm sorry to hear that we couldn't to get your tune right. Pulling some spark will definitely eliminate the pinging. I'm confident that my head tuning specialist Mike Wilson will be able to get your tune right. Shoot me over a PM with your order number included and I'll have him contact you directly.

We appreciate your patience while we get you taken care of. If you need immediate assistance. Our Bama Performance tuning specialists are here in the building Monday-Friday from 9AM-5:30PM EST and Saturday 10AM-3PM EST. You can hit them up directly at 888.226.9764 and ask for Mike.

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Thanks Dan! I'll send you my info shortly. I hope AM didn't take this as a slap in the face. I just wanted to try and help people who might be having some pinging.
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Some of you may know this but you can ask to have the Traction Control turned OFF by default on your tune. Personally, I plan to have off for the racing tune, but enabled for the performance and street tunes.
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Thanks Dan! I'll send you my info shortly. I hope AM didn't take this as a slap in the face. I just wanted to try and help people who might be having some pinging.

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Awesome, Thanks! I've sent your information over to Mike. He'll be contacting you shortly & will get you squared away!

We appreciate your patience while we get you taken care of. Let me know if there's anything else I can help with!

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Just talked to Mike Wilson, not that there was ever a question about it, but American Muscle and Bama Performance really do have kick a$$ customer service!
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Thanks dream!

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If I'm not mistaken, the IDLE SPEED NEU option group sorta works like a launch control in that you are setting your peak RPMs in neutral. So if you set this limit to 3000RPM, you can floor it and the RPMs will never exceed 3000RPM. The rev limiter would essentially be set to 3000RPM. I'm assuming that there is a sensor on the input shaft that detects forward (or backward) motion. This is a guess, there could be another method used to determine driving motion. I remember this was one of the questions you are asked when you give Bama your initial information. I believe DaBlueDude has this feature set and it has worked for him.

Yes but I had bama set mine up. The launch control stufc works with the engine timing to get you off the line. Its a lot of fun but isn't the fastest way off the line. My tune from my mach is similar tweaked. 0-2000 rpm is -2, 2-4000 is -2 and 4000-8000 is -3 with 2 points richer fuel at wot. Sofar no serious pinging but I'm getting on a proper wideband monitored dyno to get some proper results on the 20th. I'm peaking at 5200rpm and that just isn't enough. Here's my graph. They're a little hard to read in pic and he didn't resize it for **** but my third pull waz 343hp and 366tq.
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I love my tuner from bama it really woke my car up and gave me more power and I'm saving some fuel. I wouldn't go any other way.
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It's a bit odd that am and bama didn't catch this problem..... If retarding the timing fixed it then you'd think the problem is solved.
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Yes but I had bama set mine up. The launch control stufc works with the engine timing to get you off the line. Its a lot of fun but isn't the fastest way off the line. My tune from my mach is similar tweaked. 0-2000 rpm is -2, 2-4000 is -2 and 4000-8000 is -3 with 2 points richer fuel at wot. Sofar no serious pinging but I'm getting on a proper wideband monitored dyno to get some proper results on the 20th. I'm peaking at 5200rpm and that just isn't enough. Here's my graph. They're a little hard to read in pic and he didn't resize it for **** but my third pull waz 343hp and 366tq.
Man, I wish you knew what has been done to that beast!

I didn't have to ****** timing as much as you have done. I wonder if the interal mods was throwing them off? Also, they can do a lot more tweaking than we can do with their software. Also, with that torque, I could see you having more dufficulty launching than a stock Mach1.
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Speaking of wideband. Maybe you should look into one azure? They are a bit pricey. But could help you insure your a/f is spot on.
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Speaking of wideband. Maybe you should look into one azure? They are a bit pricey. But could help you insure your a/f is spot on.
This one here...

Innovate Motorsports OT-2 - Transform your iPhone or iPod into a wireless gauge, data logger, dyno, efficiency meter and OBDII scan tool.

Is supposed to be wideband and you can connect to your iPhone and iPad, which is really cool. According to the info, you can datalog as well. You'd think naturally asperated engines would not require an A/F gauge, but I guess we are squeezing the most performance out of the engine.

Besides, I really wanna get a new clutch quadrant and firewall adjuster
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This one here...

Innovate Motorsports OT-2 - Transform your iPhone or iPod into a wireless gauge, data logger, dyno, efficiency meter and OBDII scan tool.

Is supposed to be wideband and you can connect to your iPhone and iPad, which is really cool. According to the info, you can datalog as well. You'd think naturally asperated engines would not require an A/F gauge, but I guess we are squeezing the most performance out of the engine.

Besides, I really wanna get a new clutch quadrant and firewall adjuster
Yeah I remember you showed me on the other thread. Nice.

They definitely are not required. But as u said, they may help squeez everything out of your tune. That's basically the same means a dyno tuner will use for tuning. I went with a wideband for the same purpose. Especially since I'm carbed. And I also plan on forced induction one day. Maybe a few years from now, but still a plan.
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Yeah I remember you showed me on the other thread. Nice.

They definitely are not required. But as u said, they may help squeez everything out of your tune. That's basically the same means a dyno tuner will use for tuning. I went with a wideband for the same purpose. Especially since I'm carbed. And I also plan on forced induction one day. Maybe a few years from now, but still a plan.
Took me forever to find the website again. I keep forgetting the name of the company. Lol
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It's a bit odd that am and bama didn't catch this problem..... If retarding the timing fixed it then you'd think the problem is solved.
The problem is that, while pulling timing may get rid of the pinging, there's no reason he should have to pull timing with the powerful, yet safe amount of timing that our tunes command for the Mach 1's.

There may be an underlying problem, such as dirty fuel filter or throttle body, that is causing the quality of the fuel to be decreased, causing pinging. This is usually easily diagnosed by changing your fuel filter (cheap/easy to do), running a can of seafoam through and cleaning your intake tube and throttle body.

I mean, occasionally there's just a car that doesn't "take" as much timing as others do, and it could be anything - individual tolerances, etc. It's just not that common. That may be the case, though.

I'm confident we can figure out what's going on. He'll work with Mike Wilson, we'll get a few datalogs and diagnose what's going on.
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Just to let you guys know I'm enrolling in SCT's online courses and will be getting certified to tune for them.
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Just to let you guys know I'm enrolling in SCT's online courses and will be getting certified to tune for them.
That's awesome! It would interesting to see what the tuner sees when making adjustment. You know, how user friendly the software is, etc.
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I'll keep you posted. I have seen some vids on it but it doesn't compare to hands on knowledge with it. I want to be able to actually write tunes myself so that I know what's done to it.
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I'll keep you posted. I have seen some vids on it but it doesn't compare to hands on knowledge with it. I want to be able to actually write tunes myself so that I know what's done to it.
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Old 08-13-2012, 12:08 AM   #31
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Re: SCT Tune Additional Options Discussion

I've been running a rev4 of a 91 racing tune that is a mix of what Bama originally setup and what I experienced by taking out 3 deg of timing from a rev1 tune. Mike Wilson made these adjustments and they seem to be pretty good. The bad thing is the weather has turned "normal" in that we are not even near 90degF outside. it is supposed to get up to 88 later in the week and I will data log with this tune for Mike. I appreciate the help form Mike and the guys from Bama Performance!
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