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Old 10-27-2012, 11:25 AM   #1
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Kenne bell automatic

So I'm looking to get a kenne bell soon for my 98 gt but when I look at automatics on YouTube they only put down 320-330hp? Could it be because they were dynoing on a mustang dyno or do autos really make less power?
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Rule of thumb is 15% drivetrain loss for manuals, and 20% for automatics, so yea they make less on the dyno.
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So I'm looking to get a kenne bell soon for my 98 gt but when I look at automatics on YouTube they only put down 320-330hp? Could it be because they were dynoing on a mustang dyno or do autos really make less power?
Another reason why the numbers are down a bit is probably that the cars still have the non performance improvement heads and intake , doing a PI swap before the blower upgrade will net you another 30-50 rwhp depending on how aggressive you want to get with the tune
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Another reason why the numbers are down a bit is probably that the cars still have the non performance improvement heads and intake , doing a PI swap before the blower upgrade will net you another 30-50 rwhp depending on how aggressive you want to get with the tune
I plan on doing a PI swap before I supercharge my car. Think I could get 400hp with full exhaust and a victor jr intake?
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I plan on doing a PI swap before I supercharge my car. Think I could get 400hp with full exhaust and a victor jr intake?
With just pi heads, full exhaust, and intake? If that's it no. Your need more.
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With just pi heads, full exhaust, and intake? If that's it no. Your need more.
What else would I need? I was thinking about putting stage 1 comp cams in when I do the swap.
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You would need plenty more for a NA motor to get 400hp
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You would need plenty more for a NA motor to get 400hp
Oh yeah I know that. I'm saying would a PI motor with full exhaust including lt's and victor jr intake get me 400hp around 8-9 psi or would I need more headwork like cams
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With PI heads cams intake and FI system 400 hp would be easy.
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I wouldn't do pi swap and run a lot of boost cause pi swap raises compression, and higher compression+high boost= bye bye motor. Unless of course you have a built bottom end.
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I wouldn't do pi swap and run a lot of boost cause pi swap raises compression, and higher compression+high boost= bye bye motor. Unless of course you have a built bottom end.
I plan on running on the stock bottom end for maybe 6 months but I won't go over 8psi. I'm about to get a good paying job that'll help me make my car the way I want it so one of the first things I'm working on is under the hood.
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I know onesickstang01 ran I think around 8 psi for 6 months and had stock bottom end until he had problems.

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Never mind unknown psi but had 440hp
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I know onesickstang01 ran I think around 8 psi for 6 months and had stock bottom end until he had problems.

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Never mind unknown psi but had 440hp
That's a little too much for a stock bottom end. My goal is between 390-410hp until I can get a forged bottom end.
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I would just start from building your bottom end
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I would just start from building your bottom end
I guess it would be smarter to do it all at once
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Basically. If money isn't such a problem then all at once would be better
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Sell it and get a better 4.6
Thats a waste of money
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Sell it and get a better 4.6
Thats a waste of money
I would if a wasn't attached to my car. I don't mind spending a lot of money to go fast.. It's my baby.
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Dude once you get a 99-04 GT you will long forget yours..

I did full bolt ons on my 2001GT and when I got my Mach I was like the hell with 2 Valve GTs .. Stock Mach blows away bolt on GTs..

Dont waste your money.. Your gnna regret it later
Save up for a 5spd GT or a Cobra
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Dude once you get a 99-04 GT you will long forget yours..

I did full bolt ons on my 2001GT and when I got my Mach I was like the hell with 2 Valve GTs .. Stock Mach blows away bolt on GTs..

Dont waste your money.. Your gnna regret it later
Save up for a 5spd GT or a Cobra
We'll see what happens after I get this job. I'd love a terminator
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Dude once you get a 99-04 GT you will long forget yours..

I did full bolt ons on my 2001GT and when I got my Mach I was like the hell with 2 Valve GTs .. Stock Mach blows away bolt on GTs..

Dont waste your money.. Your gnna regret it later
Save up for a 5spd GT or a Cobra
How do you figure that? Mach 1's are rated at 305 fwhp which is about 260 rwhp a 2v gt with full bolt on's with a really good tune can put down 270 rwhp easy if you add ported heads and and stage 2 cams to the mix you would be at 300-320 rwhp , a stock mach 1 wouldn't touch a "full" bolt on gt

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How do you figure that? Mach 1's are rated at 305 fwhp which is about 260 rwhp a 2v gt with full bolt on's with a really good tune can put down 270 rwhp easy if you add ported heads and and stage 2 cams to the mix you would be at 300-320 rwhp , a stock mach 1 wouldn't touch a "full" bolt on gt
I've seen stock bottom end 2v running 13. lbs of boost with stage 2 cams and stock PI heads put down 440 rwhp , it's all on the tune to keep it safe , talk to mzilla on here he pretty much had the same setup till he bent a valve
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Uhm Living proof right here budd.. Youtube Mach 1 vs full bolt on GT

I cant post street racing videos on here -.-

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Well all my mach has done is Exhaust/STS/Intake/Drags so far..
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Uhm Living proof right here budd.. Youtube Mach 1 vs full bolt on GT

I cant post street racing videos on here -.-

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Well all my mach has done is Exhaust/STS/Intake/Drags so far..
#1)in your post you said a stock mach 1 would take a full bolt on GT , it won't

#2) your mach is not stock because of the things you claim to have done , even with your mods you still wouldn't take a full bolt on GT

#3) street racing don't mean a thing , unless its at a track from a stop your vid doesn't prove anything except that street racing is illegal and dangerous
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#1)in your post you said a stock mach 1 would take a full bolt on GT , it won't

#2) your mach is not stock because of the things you claim to have done , even with your mods you still wouldn't take a full bolt on GT

#3) street racing don't mean a thing , unless its at a track from a stop your vid doesn't prove anything except that street racing is illegal and dangerous
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#1)in your post you said a stock mach 1 would take a full bolt on GT , it won't

#2) your mach is not stock because of the things you claim to have done , even with your mods you still wouldn't take a full bolt on GT

#3) street racing don't mean a thing , unless its at a track from a stop your vid doesn't prove anything except that street racing is illegal and dangerous
Lmao your a dumbass dude.. Full bolt on and Fully built are two different things.. Full Bolt on GTs do high 13s low 14s .. Exactly

And who cares I do whatever the hell I want? Have a problem? Go solve it .. Know it all

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GTs are slow as hell and a waste of money to build NA

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A fully built GT can barely put out 330 and thats the record..

Have fun with that your close to a stock 4V
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Lmao your a dumbass dude.. Full bolt on and Fully built are two different things.. Full Bolt on GTs do high 13s low 14s .. Exactly

And who cares I do whatever the hell I want? Have a problem? Go solve it .. Know it all

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GTs are slow as hell and a waste of money to build NA

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A fully built GT can barely put out 330 and thats the record..

Have fun with that your close to a stock 4V
Who said anything about a fully built motor? We are talking stock mach 1 against full bolt on GT , you know what full bolt on's are don't you? You. are right 330 on a NA motor is pushing it that's why 320 is the norm , you know how to read don't you? And the other thing the op is asking about a Kenne bell on a stock motor will your mach put down down more power than that ? I don't think so , do some reading and research before you spew crap out of your mouth you might learn something
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To the op, I have a all stock PI motor I have two bolt on's , a Kenne Bell 2.1 and a bbk cai I'm putting down 360rwhp , if I do a 75mm throttle body and a 4" cai I would be easily over 400rwhp and the car would be safe to drive as long as you have a good tune, my car was at 380 but we kicked it down a bit due to the throttle body and cai it was becoming a restriction on the top end
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I guess it depends in the driver then because my bolt on gt runs low 13's and a tune away from being in the 12's.
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Yeah on a stock Non PI engine thats so pointless..

Go big or go home.. 4 Valves have alot more potiential than 2Vs.. And I didnt say **** against me against a kennebell mustang.. I said full bolt ons stop imagining things

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How do you figure that? Mach 1's are rated at 305 fwhp which is about 260 rwhp a 2v gt with full bolt on's with a really good tune can put down 270 rwhp easy if you add ported heads and and stage 2 cams to the mix you would be at 300-320 rwhp , a stock mach 1 wouldn't touch a "full" bolt on gt

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I've seen stock bottom end 2v running 13. lbs of boost with stage 2 cams and stock PI heads put down 440 rwhp , it's all on the tune to keep it safe , talk to mzilla on here he pretty much had the same setup till he bent a valve
Show me or prove to me that A mach would get that much drivetrain loss.. Bull@&#*

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How do you figure that? Mach 1's are rated at 305 fwhp which is about 260 rwhp a 2v gt with full bolt on's with a really good tune can put down 270 rwhp easy if you add ported heads and and stage 2 cams to the mix you would be at 300-320 rwhp , a stock mach 1 wouldn't touch a "full" bolt on gt

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I've seen stock bottom end 2v running 13. lbs of boost with stage 2 cams and stock PI heads put down 440 rwhp , it's all on the tune to keep it safe , talk to mzilla on here he pretty much had the same setup till he bent a valve
Yeah go ahead and throw away 2000/3000 dollars just to achieve 300+hp.. My hero
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Yeah on a stock Non PI engine thats so pointless..

Go big or go home.. 4 Valves have alot more potiential than 2Vs.. And I didnt say **** against me against a kennebell mustang.. I said full bolt ons stop imagining things
The op said he was gonna do a PI swap , o ya I forgot you can't read , I agree 4v's have alot more potential but you need to understand that 2v's ain't dogs either you can make big 4v power out of a 2v also
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Who said anything about a fully built motor? We are talking stock mach 1 against full bolt on GT , you know what full bolt on's are don't you? You. are right 330 on a NA motor is pushing it that's why 320 is the norm , you know how to read don't you? And the other thing the op is asking about a Kenne bell on a stock motor will your mach put down down more power than that ? I don't think so , do some reading and research before you spew crap out of your mouth you might learn something
Reading and research ? Oh Jebbbus Im a 4 ASE Certified, Ford/Ford Racing Technician at Mccombs ford here in texas you idiot, I know more than your know it all self.

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The op said he was gonna do a PI swap , o ya I forgot you can't read , I agree 4v's have alot more potential but you need to understand that 2v's ain't dogs either you can make big 4v power out of a 2v also
No way , mid 400's tops.. Ive seen plenty of fully built, torktech Blower GTs barely.hit 440s450s .. When you can easily slap a blower with supporting mods and acheive 500-600hp with a 4 valve..
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Reading and research ? Oh Jebbbus Im a 4 ASE Certified, Ford/Ford Racing Technician at Mccombs ford here in texas you idiot, I know more than your know it all self.
You do mechanic guy? If so than why I doing math for you 305fwhp- 15% drivetrain loss assuming you have a manual trans = 259.25 rwhp
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