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Old 11-10-2012, 02:07 PM   #1
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Check engine light issue,need help!

So when I first bought my mustang it had dumped exhaust system. And the check engine was off. I thought it had the engine delete wires that replace the converters but doesn't. How do I fix this problem? I disconnected the maf to see if it would turn on but no.
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So when I first bought my mustang it had dumped exhaust system. And the check engine was off. I thought it had the engine delete wires that replace the converters but doesn't. How do I fix this problem? I disconnected the maf to see if it would turn on but no.
What do you mean engine delete wires? Are you talking about MIL eliminators? Is your check engine light on now or is it still off? Do you have an o/r mid pipe? Having dumped exhaust itself shouldn't make the CEL come on if it's dumped after the mufflers
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What do you mean engine delete wires? Are you talking about MIL eliminators? Is your check engine light on now or is it still off? Do you have an o/r mid pipe? Having dumped exhaust itself shouldn't make the CEL come on if it's dumped after the mufflers
Yeah the eliminators. My light is off and I have straight pipes. It has no converters.
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So what's the problem? Don't mean that in a rude way I just seriously don't know. Are you saying cant ever get the CEL to come on? So like ur worried if you have a problem with the motor the CEL won't come on? The MIL eliminators won't cause ur CEL to stay off if you have other issues. The MIL's only change what goes on with ur rear o2 sensors nothing else
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Yeah it can't ever get on so I'm just worried tht when there is something wrong with it I might not kno the problem. I think there might be something wrong with it now but I'm not sure idk where to start
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Yeah it can't ever get on so I'm just worried tht when there is something wrong with it I might not kno the problem. I think there might be something wrong with it now but I'm not sure idk where to start

MILs won't cause ur CEL to stay off when there are other issues. That being said ur CEL also won't come on for every issue with the engine that you have. What are the symptoms you are experiencing?
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I think the egr valve or the idle control is bad or maybe the maf but I already tried like leaving the gas cap off and doing other operations to see if it turned on but no.
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I think the egr valve or the idle control is bad or maybe the maf but I already tried like leaving the gas cap off and doing other operations to see if it turned on but no.
Make another thread about that. Someone on here with more trouble shooting knowledge will chime in and help ya out man
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Maybe the bulb is burnt out in the dash. Does the light come on when you turn your key to the "on" position?
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Yeah the light does come on. Idk ahhhh
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Ok so im just jumping in on it.....take it to an autozone and get the scanner to read if there is atleast pending codes on it like for maf sensor and such when u disconnected them. If the scanner cant read anything like it cant communicate with the pcm there is where u start. Id start with a wiring diagram to see where it gets power from and if it shows up independently from the comp. Imma post a diagram soon as i get off the mobile app.
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here is the diagram so far
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Ok so im just jumping in on it.....take it to an autozone and get the scanner to read if there is atleast pending codes on it like for maf sensor and such when u disconnected them. If the scanner cant read anything like it cant communicate with the pcm there is where u start. Id start with a wiring diagram to see where it gets power from and if it shows up independently from the comp. Imma post a diagram soon as i get off the mobile app.
The scanner couldn't read anything. After I'm off of work tommorow I'll take a look at the diagram and start from there. Do you happen to have a URL or something?
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I used alldata to pull it up if anything just google instrument cluster electrical diagram and u should find a image for it

---------- Post added at 09:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:36 PM ----------

When u said it didnt pull anything up u mean it says it couldnt communicate with the computer or it said no codes?
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I used alldata to pull it up if anything just google instrument cluster electrical diagram and u should find a image for it

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When u said it didnt pull anything up u mean it says it couldnt communicate with the computer or it said no codes?
Ok thanks. And it said it couldn't communicate with it. Is that a bad sign?
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Couldnt communicate can narrow things down alot. It means the scanner cant read the pcm at all. This could be due to a cigarette lighter fuse or a fuse thats integrated in the dtc circuit (dtc is the term for the obd that sometimes shows on fuse box) or it could very well be that the obd connection is cut or the pin #4 on the pcm for the cel is unplugged. I would start with the cigarette fuse. Idk if ur lighter works but if it doesnt try replacing that fuse. Ill research the diagrams for u to see if there is a fuse that goes to the obd connector. Other than that go thru the cables on the obd connector and check to see pcm connections too. Ill have the info soon as i get home.


and its dlc i meant not dtc
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here is the connector view for the dlc connector.

and on the pcm its pin #2 for the one that goes from the pcm to the dlc connector
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Couldnt communicate can narrow things down alot. It means the scanner cant read the pcm at all. This could be due to a cigarette lighter fuse or a fuse thats integrated in the dtc circuit (dtc is the term for the obd that sometimes shows on fuse box) or it could very well be that the obd connection is cut or the pin #4 on the pcm for the cel is unplugged. I would start with the cigarette fuse. Idk if ur lighter works but if it doesnt try replacing that fuse. Ill research the diagrams for u to see if there is a fuse that goes to the obd connector. Other than that go thru the cables on the obd connector and check to see pcm connections too. Ill have the info soon as i get home.

and its dlc i meant not dtc
Wow yeah it did. Where do I find that fuse box? And I noticed I don't have a cigarette lighter? There's just the hole were it used to be....
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Wow yeah it did. Where do I find that fuse box? And I noticed I don't have a cigarette lighter? There's just the hole were it used to be....
I mean the fuse for the cigarette lighter
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Fuse is in the hood fise box. Its a 20 amp if i remember
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The fuses are all good. I don't need a cigaret lighter In Order for it to work right?
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I would put it to see if it works. But if it still doesnt then u need to go thru the connections
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Ah but I don't have one it came without it. So I got a light tester and tested the dlc connector and only one turned the light on. Is that normal?
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Use the fuse for the horn to put it in so u can see but as far as power u should have more than one showing power with the key on
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I'm guessing its going to be in the wires itself.
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Look up a diagram for the obdII that will tell you what each pin is. Then you can check for ground and power.
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I checked it and only one came out to have power and it was this one? See this is the thing when I turn the key on the light turns on when I turn it on the light is off. I disconnected the maf to see if it worked and it didn't turn on. Do you think the might have cut a wire off or something?
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Its quite possible i would check the connections to the pcm it would be pin 2 which goes to the dlc connector. Ill see if i can pull up a diagram on the pcm and dlc connector to show where all the wires go to......right now im at the miami auto show

Ill also test my connectors to show which have power as well so we can base it of something
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Its quite possible i would check the connections to the pcm it would be pin 2 which goes to the dlc connector. Ill see if i can pull up a diagram on the pcm and dlc connector to show where all the wires go to......right now im at the miami auto show

Ill also test my connectors to show which have power as well so we can base it of something
Yeah that would help a lot thanks. I might end up selling this junk or throwing it in the garage for good.
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I checked it and only one came out to have power and it was this one? See this is the thing when I turn the key on the light turns on when I turn it on the light is off. I disconnected the maf to see if it worked and it didn't turn on. Do you think the might have cut a wire off or something?
That looks like pin 14 which I believe is the power pin so your good on that end. Check the connection Check the connection at the PCM and see if its getting proper power and ground. Hopefully someone else will chime in.
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That looks like pin 14 which I believe is the power pin so your good on that end. Check the connection Check the connection at the PCM and see if its getting proper power and ground. Hopefully someone else will chime in.
That is pin 16, pin 14 isnt used and pin 16 is always hot at all times. Im at work right now and imma probe my obd connector and post up my results so we can see whats goin on
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Ok cool I appreciate everyone help
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Ok so i probed mine and it did the same as urs only one of the pins lit up which was #16 which is hot at all times. I have to read up on how it works again to see whats goin on but imma post a diagram of the dlc connections cause it should recieve input from the computer. I would check the connection to the pcm it could be loose or not connected...possibly even a frayed wire grounding out. Ill post some up soon as i can. If we can find the issue with the obd connector them im sure u can read codes to see what the car is doing. Sorry for the delays in posts and i hope we can resolve ur problem soon. Hopefully someone else can help chime in too to work a solution faster so that way u can enjoy ur stang.
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Ok so i probed mine and it did the same as urs only one of the pins lit up which was #16 which is hot at all times. I have to read up on how it works again to see whats goin on but imma post a diagram of the dlc connections cause it should recieve input from the computer. I would check the connection to the pcm it could be loose or not connected...possibly even a frayed wire grounding out. Ill post some up soon as i can. If we can find the issue with the obd connector them im sure u can read codes to see what the car is doing. Sorry for the delays in posts and i hope we can resolve ur problem soon. Hopefully someone else can help chime in too to work a solution faster so that way u can enjoy ur stang.
I will check the connections to the PCM today and its ok bro I understand your busy too and I appreciate your help a lot
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here is the pin views of the pcm. im tryin to find where all the wires go as i go along all data, but all data doesnt help much lol. but u can see where the input from the pcm to the dlc connector are id start there and look at the conditions of the pins both on the pcm and the pcm connector.

worst case scenario is the computer took a dump and is bad, but like i said worst case scenario. if u wanna check the pcm to see its bad, id go to a junkyard and get a pcm, normally where i am they are 16 bucks to get one, and u can see if it works or not, but it is worst case scenario.

btw pretty sweet mustang u got there, deff puts mine to shame lol
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