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Old 11-19-2012, 10:24 AM   #1
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Ok so i have a 1999 mustang gt with 180 thousand miles on it. There is a Slavage yard about 100 mile away that does nothing but mustangs. They have over 2000 mutangs in. If I wanted to put a 2004 in my 1999 what would I have to change out in order for everything twork or ahould i just stick with a 1999 gt engine? I only ask because its making a mocking sound when I accelerate and it sounds like a piston hitting something or something of that nature.
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if your sticking with a gt engine out of a 04 then there shouldnt be any differences should be easy as just swapping them out. same goes if your throwing in a 4v into your 99. now if you go with a 4v i think a few things may be a lil different like where the alternators mount and the ac compressor is on the motor but other than that should be easy as a gt swap.
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if your sticking with a gt engine out of a 04 then there shouldnt be any differences should be easy as just swapping them out. same goes if your throwing in a 4v into your 99. now if you go with a 4v i think a few things may be a lil different like where the alternators mount and the ac compressor is on the motor but other than that should be easy as a gt swap.
Kind f stupid question but what's the difference between a 2v and a 4v I'm not extremely savvy with engines. More horsepower?
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Kind f stupid question but what's the difference between a 2v and a 4v I'm not extremely savvy with engines. More horsepower?
2 valves per cylinder compared to 4 Valves per cylinder so to some up a long story yes more power.
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2 valves per cylinder compared to 4 Valves per cylinder so to some up a long story yes more power.
Thank you. I appreciate the help guys. One of my coworkers told me it sounds to him like a rod is what's causing the sound. Would it be cheaper do you think to fix that or to drive the 90 miles pay between 650 and 1500 depending on the miles on the engine and just switch it out at home?
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Thank you. I appreciate the help guys. One of my coworkers told me it sounds to him like a rod is what's causing the sound. Would it be cheaper do you think to fix that or to drive the 90 miles pay between 650 and 1500 depending on the miles on the engine and just switch it out at home?
It would be cheaper to just fix what's wrong with it, but with a 180,000 miles something else will prolly go out soon after. If I had the money at the time I would just do a full swap, I think it would be cheaper and less of a head ach over time.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:59 PM   #7
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What if he guts and rebuilds?
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It would be cheaper to just fix what's wrong with it, but with a 180,000 miles something else will prolly go out soon after. If I had the money at the time I would just do a full swap, I think it would be cheaper and less of a head ach over time.
That's what I'm thinking the body and interior are in almost perfect shape so it would be a complete waste to not just swap her out and save the time and headache. Heck I may just go get the engine and tear it down clean it and maybe even paint it to my liking. Maybe a ford blue or something like that.

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What if he guts and rebuilds?
I would love to fit it and rebuild it but I'm not sure what that would cost me. I'm on a budget haha
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Ah I see, yeah knowledgeless on build prices =\
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What if he guts and rebuilds?
Yea or that, either way I think over time it will pay off. If he guts and rebuilds he can put whatever he wants inside, if he buys a newer 2004 he's got a pretty much stock motor with less miles.
It's really just up to him does he have the time an equipment to rebuild a motor from just a block? Or would it be easier to just swap for the 2004.
Also money, does he have the money to rebuild the block how he wants or buy the 2004? Or should he just fix what's wrong with it now.
If it was me and I had the money I would rebuild the motor you have and build it like a want rather than putting a stock 2004 motor in it or fixing the problem. But again it falls back to do you have the equipment/ time/money?
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Good points sir. Id be like you if money time space and equipment was all available it would be a fresh 4V for me. 4.6 or even a 5.4
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Good points sir. Id be like you if money time space and equipment was all available it would be a fresh 4V for me. 4.6 or even a 5.4
Yup me too! But I don't have the money or time and my car is running wonderful as of now so no need to replace now. Hopefully when that time comes I can drop a 4v 4.6 or a lighting 5.4 in it.
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Yup me too! But I don't have the money or time and my car is running wonderful as of now so no need to replace now. Hopefully when that time comes I can drop a 4v 4.6 or a lighting 5.4 in it.
Oh yeah same here. Are the lighting blocks stock or built bottom end?
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Oh yeah same here. Are the lighting blocks stock or built bottom end?
To be honest man I have no idea, I have a buddy that has had a couple an they are just amazing motors and also supercharged from the factory. I would LOVE to drop one in mine.
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Lightning blocks are 2v 5.4s. Weak point is the powdered metal rods. Like all modulars, crank and block hold way more power than they should.

And rebuilding his 4.6 is going to cost way more than grabbing something from a junkyard. Just the cost to machine his block could buy him a whole junkyard motor with accessories.
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To be honest man I have no idea, I have a buddy that has had a couple an they are just amazing motors and also supercharged from the factory. I would LOVE to drop one in mine.
Source says nay nay on the built bottom. Those trucks are just so sick, I wouldn't mind one at all

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Lightning blocks are 2v 5.4s. Weak point is the powedered metal rods. Like all modulars, crank and block hold way more power than they should.
Did not know that, hmm well still a built 5.4 would be beast
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Yeah Butch, they hold a good bit of power, and MMR sells forged rotating assemblies on the cheap, but the stock block bends rods if you get crazy.
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Lightning blocks are 2v 5.4s. Weak point is the powdered metal rods. Like all modulars, crank and block hold way more power than they should.

And rebuilding his 4.6 is going to cost way more than grabbing something from a junkyard. Just the cost to machine his block could buy him a whole junkyard motor with accessories.
I didn't know that, I don't know a ton about them I just know he had a couple and his were stock and just mean! A built 5.4 lighting would be amazing! Thanks for the info tho
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Here's a couple pics of one if his he had, was pretty much stock. Super powerful from the factory!
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Yeah Butch, they hold a good bit of power, and MMR sells forged rotating assemblies on the cheap, but the stock block bends rods if you get crazy.
MMR makes me cry jaja,

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Here's a couple pics of one if his he had, was pretty much stock. Super powerful from the factory!
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Well my company owner told me any time I need to use the shop just let him know and hed let me come in on a weekend and do whatever I needed. Honestly I wish I had the money to build from the ground up but I do not . I may just go with either another 99 engine or a 2004. But will more than likely get the 4V you can never have too much horse power. ! Over time I will most defintly build myself an engine from the ground up. Another question. If I were to do this myself instead of paying a shop to do it how long would you think it would take me? Just a guesstimated time frame.

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Here's a couple pics of one if his he had, was pretty much stock. Super powerful from the factory!
Beautiful truck by the way.
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Time frame of as long as needed =}„ take your time. Like my dad says if your gonna do something do it right. Unless time is not to much, but still something time consuming done right will for ever out last a fast and quick build =}„„ just my $4.29
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Not sure but I might try to find a equivalent 99-early01 GT motor due to some of the electronics (dash fog lights, rear def, trac control, etc). I swapped my car from a 02 3.8l to a GT but used the wiring harnesses and Drivetrain from a 2000 GT and now my fog lights don't work since I can't fig out the wiring and the junkyard I bought from was clueless.
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I will def take my time and do it right no half assing anything on my baby
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Good. No half assing was done with mine. Just got such a steal on parts that I forgot about those tiny things. I've already fixed it so but it was painful at firat. My swap was a little more technical than what you have to do. I wish I just needed a new motor. You just need the motor, whereas I needed everything from motor tranny rear, ecu, k member etc. U name it I needed it. Good luck Im just saying if you need the wiring harnesses (especially the dash and body harness from an 04 GT) realize that these connections will be different.
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Also 1999 and 2000 motors were made differently not sure how but I no there are some differences .
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Also 1999 and 2000 motors were made differently not sure how but I no there are some differences .
04 is a good year. The heads have extra threads to keep the spark plugs from shooting out. They did a coup tweeks here and there, not sure bout more HP or not.
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I'm just not sure if it works with the transmission if I remember correctly something about going from a 4 bolt pattern to 8
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Also 1999 and 2000 motors were made differently not sure how but I no there are some differences .
Only a few were made in the Windsor Ontario Plant. And there is nothing different from being a direct swap. With the exception of the 8 bolt crank on the Windsor and the 6 bolt on the Romeo.

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This kit is for a 93-98 4.6L but if used in a newer PI engine you would have more compression. This would be as if you were a non-PI engine owner that did a PI swap. This kit also comes with Forged Pistons. Just food for thought. You would need PI intake gaskets.
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Ive decide to stay with a 99 engine. HP is the same as an 04 so ill stick with that with lower miles than what I have now
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Ive decide to stay with a 99 engine. HP is the same as an 04 so ill stick with that with lower miles than what I have now
Properly maintained and not abused these engines can see 300000miles easy.
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Properly maintained and not abused these engines can see 300000miles easy.
Ahh I like those numbers haha
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Ahh I like those numbers haha
Just think same motor as taxi or police car. They run for awhile or most of em.
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Just think same motor as taxi or police car. They run for awhile or most of em.
I always say, the fastest cars on the roads are taxis, police cars, and rentals, they don't give a shot about them and drive them like bats outta hell, and it's crazy to think how many miles these taxis and police vehicles make it too, it's all because they properly maintain them.
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