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Old 11-21-2012, 07:43 PM   #1
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99-01 Cobra vs 03-04 Mach 1

Ive been looking at the two Mustangs and wondering the differences between the two. I know the styles are different, but what about power to power. Is there much of a big difference in hp and torque. Also are they about equal in power gains with the amount of bolt ons and mods.

Im asking because ive been looking for a Mach 1 or early Cobra. I realky like the looks of the Mach 1 but Im finding 99-01 Cobras for good prices around me.
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Mach all the way
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Ive been looking at the two Mustangs and wondering the differences between the two. I know the styles are different, but what about power to power. Is there much of a big difference in hp and torque. Also are they about equal in power gains with the amount of bolt ons and mods.

Im asking because ive been looking for a Mach 1 or early Cobra. I realky like the looks of the Mach 1 but Im finding 99-01 Cobras for good prices around me.
The Mach's had 305HP and 320lbs of torque.(from mach1registry.com) The 99/01 Cobra's had 320HP and 317lbs of torque.(from Wikipedia)<---Not sure if that was underrated. I've heard the 99's had some engine issues, but I'm not really sure exactly what. Slow2V is right about the forged crank, but that's only with the manual tranny cars. They had a little higher redline. The mach1registry.com has a lot of specs for the 03-04 Mach 1 and compare to the GT's and Bullitt's. Too bad they don't compare to the 99/01 Cobra's, DOH! The Mach 1's had the same brakes as the Cobra's of the same year. They are 1/2" lower than the GT's stock for stock.

Heavily debated...Is the shaker really functional? It may not be RAM air functional, but the proof is in the dirty filter IMO.

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That dirt ring lines up perfect with the piping from the shaker. At the very least, it's providing nice cold air more consistently that without the shaker. JMO

I love my Mach 1, but I would love a Cobra too - tough choice between the two. Good luck and I hope you find what you want.
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I think you'd be happy with either one.
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99 cobras had a recall due to not meeting HP expectations and they fixed the issue in 2001. If you are looking at a 99 ask the owner if he has paperwork to show proof of the recall or take the vin to a ford dealer and have them run the history to see if the recall work was done. The 01 also has better seats but watch out for the clunk in the rear end.

03-04 Cobra is a better car than the 99/01 cobra and Mach put together....hands down.
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The Mach's had 305HP and 320lbs of torque.(from mach1registry.com) The 99/01 Cobra's had 320HP and 317lbs of torque.(from Wikipedia)<---Not sure if that was underrated. I've heard the 99's had some engine issues, but I'm not really sure exactly what. Slow2V is right about the forged crank, but that's only with the manual tranny cars. They had a little higher redline. The mach1registry.com has a lot of specs for the 03-04 Mach 1 and compare to the GT's and Bullitt's. Too bad they don't compare to the 99/01 Cobra's, DOH! The Mach 1's had the same brakes as the Cobra's of the same year. They are 1/2" lower than the GT's stock for stock.

Heavily debated...Is the shaker really functional? It may not be RAM air functional, but the proof is in the dirty filter IMO.

That dirt ring lines up perfect with the piping from the shaker. At the very least, it's providing nice cold air more consistently that without the shaker. JMO

I love my Mach 1, but I would love a Cobra too - tough choice between the two. Good luck and I hope you find what you want.
Thanks Azure that's helpful.
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99 cobras had a recall due to not meeting HP expectations and they fixed the issue in 2001. If you are looking at a 99 ask the owner if he has paperwork to show proof of the recall or take the vin to a ford dealer and have them run the history to see if the recall work was done. The 01 also has better seats but watch out for the clunk in the rear end.

03-04 Cobra is a better car than the 99/01 cobra and Mach put together....hands down.
They are great...if you can find one that hasn't been ran to death or over-modded.
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99 cobras had a recall due to not meeting HP expectations and they fixed the issue in 2001. If you are looking at a 99 ask the owner if he has paperwork to show proof of the recall or take the vin to a ford dealer and have them run the history to see if the recall work was done. The 01 also has better seats but watch out for the clunk in the rear end.

03-04 Cobra is a better car than the 99/01 cobra and Mach put together....hands down.
Yea ive also heard in general that the 32v heads had a oil flow problem to the back of the heads. I would love to be able to buy a 03-04 Cobra but $$$ gets in the way of that. If I go for a Mach 1 im looking at $13-18k and a 99-01 Cobra $8-12 that's why im debating the two.
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I believe I read somewhere that the 03/04 Mach 1's shaker hood accounted for 18% of the air in the engine. The majority routing from the other intake.
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99 cobras had a recall due to not meeting HP expectations and they fixed the issue in 2001. If you are looking at a 99 ask the owner if he has paperwork to show proof of the recall or take the vin to a ford dealer and have them run the history to see if the recall work was done. The 01 also has better seats but watch out for the clunk in the rear end.

03-04 Cobra is a better car than the 99/01 cobra and Mach put together....hands down.
Most 99s had theirs fixed for free just find the vin number and call 1800fordsvt I think and they'll tell u the number it was and if fix was made. I got a 99 cobra I love to drive and with the act tuner and exhaust I burnout so easily but the Mach 1s are quicker from takeoff especially automatic but in the end 320hp compared to 305hp the 320hp wins IMO but everyone has different opinions so there isn't a right answer just choose what u like :p
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Mach 1 man, I believe the 99-01 cobra had IRS also. Not 100% though. I've drove my friends 99 with a cai and cat back exhaust. My full bolt on Mach 1 would walk it though. But I also had 4.10s
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Actually stock for stock the Mach 1 manual had better 1/4 mile times than the 99 Cobra. I suspect that it could be because the Mach's came with 3.55 gears stock. Also, the auto Mach's are slower than the manual Mach's - stock for stock. They had a higher redline and really did well at the higher RPMs.
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Yea ive also heard in general that the 32v heads had a oil flow problem to the back of the heads. I would love to be able to buy a 03-04 Cobra but $$$ gets in the way of that. If I go for a Mach 1 im looking at $13-18k and a 99-01 Cobra $8-12 that's why im debating the two.
FYI,you can find an 03 Termi for $17/18k if you don't mind 50 to 75k mile range.

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The 99s also have a forged crank. and the head issue is a cooling problem of not flowing very well to the back to cylinders. and also had a porting issue on the intake. if the intake got fixed there should be a green dot or stamp i believe on the intake sayin that it was fixed. the 99s were also the first year of irs. difference between the 99/01s is the interiors and the rear bumpers. but the main differences between the cobras and the machs are colors, interiors, visual effects, and having a auto/manual. i love my 99 the irs rides so much better than a sra. imo id rather spend 8-12k than 14+ for 10hp if that. and the 99s if they had the fixes are no wuss by no means. i have pulled 13 flats at the track bone stock before. but it all comes down to what you want and what you wanna spend. i paid $9500 for mine back in 08 with 70k on it from the original owner and i have another 8k into it and hopefully will be sitting in the 700rwhp range after christmas. buying the 99 imo made it a little easier on the wallet to save money for more mods in the end im sure everyone here will agree once you get a stang the mod fever will hit you, more money for mods is always a plus. goodluck man with your decision but any of these cars is a good buy reguardless of the year
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The 99s also have a forged crank. and the head issue is a cooling problem of not flowing very well to the back to cylinders. and also had a porting issue on the intake. if the intake got fixed there should be a green dot or stamp i believe on the intake sayin that it was fixed. the 99s were also the first year of irs. difference between the 99/01s is the interiors and the rear bumpers. but the main differences between the cobras and the machs are colors, interiors, visual effects, and having a auto/manual. i love my 99 the irs rides so much better than a sra. imo id rather spend 8-12k than 14+ for 10hp if that. and the 99s if they had the fixes are no wuss by no means. i have pulled 13 flats at the track bone stock before. but it all comes down to what you want and what you wanna spend. i paid $9500 for mine back in 08 with 70k on it from the original owner and i have another 8k into it and hopefully will be sitting in the 700rwhp range after christmas. buying the 99 imo made it a little easier on the wallet to save money for more mods in the end im sure everyone here will agree once you get a stang the mod fever will hit you, more money for mods is always a plus. goodluck man with your decision but any of these cars is a good buy reguardless of the year
+1 people seem to think the 99 cobras are underrated but in my book the price is cheaper and plus it's a freaking cobra. I don't see a snak symbol on the Mach 1s engine :p
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A snake on your car only means one thing,its a Cobra. Any car can be built to please and the mach is no slouch. Buy a 99 and throw 8 grand at it and you will still be limited on power. Buy a termi (even with 70k miles is worth it) for $18k throw $1k at it and you can have yourself a bulletproof 470whp. Its just a better starting point and car period. Plus they are worth more in the end. The 99 are referred to as the bastard stepchild most of the time.
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...The 99 are referred to as the bastard stepchild most of the time.
I have heard it mentioned that way, Lol
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Not saying a 99 can't be built. The Termi is just a better overall car to start with and is more desirable/collectable.
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Not saying a 99 can't be built. The Termi is just a better overall car to start with and is more desirable/collectable.
U gotta look at it like this the terminators are also about 4 and 5 years older than the 99s it like comparing the 12 and 13 Shelby gt500s the 99 was good for it's year but the terminator was also newer.

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U gotta look at it like this the terminators are also about 4 and 5 years older than the 99s it like comparing the 12 and 13 Shelby gt500s the 99 was good for it's year but the terminator was also newer.
Newer ^ my bad
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Agreed but we aren't in 99 anymore or 03 so there are better cars out there. We are comparing the 99/01 to the 03/04 so the Termi is a overall better choice as would a 2011 5.0 over a Termi.
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Agreed but we aren't in 99 anymore or 03 so there are better cars out there. We are comparing the 99/01 to the 03/04 so the Termi is a overall better choice as would a 2011 5.0 over a Termi.
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FYI,you can find an 03 Termi for $17/18k if you don't mind 50 to 75k mile range.

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Man those are cheap!!! I wish they where here. I checked and only two I found was in the 20k range its pretty rare to see many 03/04 cobras. I really want to stay under 15k for another Mustang. Unless you want to donate the difference lol
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I would rather go Mach 1 over the 99-01
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Man those are cheap!!! I wish they where here. I checked and only two I found was in the 20k range its pretty rare to see many 03/04 cobras. I really want to stay under 15k for another Mustang. Unless you want to donate the difference lol
Sometimes it's worth it for a drive. My buddy rode a bus from TX to Cali to pick up his fox 10yrs ago.
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Agreed but we aren't in 99 anymore or 03 so there are better cars out there. We are comparing the 99/01 to the 03/04 so the Termi is a overall better choice as would a 2011 5.0 over a Termi.
I was comparing the 99-01 Cobra to the 03-04 Mach 1. Not the 03/04 Cobra Termi. If I was there would be no comparison. Im also buying a second stang so I cant go all out to get a really new stang too. If I could I would haha!
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In that case I would go for the Mach. Again,more collectible.
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In that case I would go for the Mach. Again,more collectible.
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The 99s also have a forged crank. and the head issue is a cooling problem of not flowing very well to the back to cylinders. and also had a porting issue on the intake. if the intake got fixed there should be a green dot or stamp i believe on the intake sayin that it was fixed. the 99s were also the first year of irs. difference between the 99/01s is the interiors and the rear bumpers. but the main differences between the cobras and the machs are colors, interiors, visual effects, and having a auto/manual. i love my 99 the irs rides so much better than a sra. imo id rather spend 8-12k than 14+ for 10hp if that. and the 99s if they had the fixes are no wuss by no means. i have pulled 13 flats at the track bone stock before. but it all comes down to what you want and what you wanna spend. i paid $9500 for mine back in 08 with 70k on it from the original owner and i have another 8k into it and hopefully will be sitting in the 700rwhp range after christmas. buying the 99 imo made it a little easier on the wallet to save money for more mods in the end im sure everyone here will agree once you get a stang the mod fever will hit you, more money for mods is always a plus. goodluck man with your decision but any of these cars is a good buy reguardless of the year
& any N/A cobra ive seen on a dyno struggles 2 baseline anywhere near 320. yet real world #'s on a 5speed mach R upwards of 330 & factory freaks over 340. with plenty of dyno sheets on mach1regisrty.com proving it.(mine spun 293rwhp showroom stock) there a better car all around-better suspension(SRA with custom valved, unique rate tokicos vs weak, heavy, wheel hoppin IRS) better intake manifolds, revised C heads(some would argue best 4valve ford heads ever & same as termi & 5.4L aus. boss), cams(truck cams out of the navigator - same as termi & 5.4L aus. boss), steeper pinion gears, higher comp. RAI, subframe con. & plastic hood. the only reason machs were so grossly underrated is due 2 the N/A cobras falling on there faces(cant piss-off the cobra fanboys with a higher HP, better 4 valve) & theres no way a stock slowbra with 70k miles is gonna see 13 flat unless your a f-ing pro mod driver on D/R's or something
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& any N/A cobra ive seen on a dyno struggles 2 baseline anywhere near 320. yet real world #'s on a 5speed mach R upwards of 330 & factory freaks over 340. with plenty of dyno sheets on mach1regisrty.com proving it.(mine spun 293rwhp showroom stock) there a better car all around-better suspension(SRA with custom valved, unique rate tokicos vs weak, heavy, wheel hoppin IRS) better intake manifolds, revised C heads(some would argue best 4valve ford heads ever & same as termi), cams(truck cams out of the navigator - same as termi & 5.4L aus. boss), steeper pinion gears, higher comp. RAI, subframe con. & plastic hood. the only reason machs were so grossly underrated is due 2 the N/A cobras falling on there faces(cant piss-off the cobra fanboys with a higher HP, better 4 valve) & theres no way a stock slowbra with 70k miles is gonna see 13 flat unless your a f-ing pro mod driver on D/R's or something
As a mach 1 owner I agree with most of this except for any need to insult anyone or call anyone out. I could see a fixed 99 cobra run 13 flat.
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99 cobras had a recall due to not meeting HP expectations and they fixed the issue in 2001. If you are looking at a 99 ask the owner if he has paperwork to show proof of the recall or take the vin to a ford dealer and have them run the history to see if the recall work was done. The 01 also has better seats but watch out for the clunk in the rear end.

03-04 Cobra is a better car than the 99/01 cobra and Mach put together....hands down.
+1 saw a terminator today actually :p
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I will have to find that slip after i get moved. My car was stock minus the jlt cai and no mufflers. I have pulled some pretty good times and 60ft's. And im not saying cobras are the ultimate mustang. But with a very good prepped track and knowing how to drive your car is a different game. And driver mod is my specialty ive owned some cars that i never should have walked all over. But i personally prefer a irs cobra over a sra car any day. And wheel hop can be fixed with some radials. Ive never had hop with radials and i launch pretty hard on them and cut some 1.50's sixty foots without wheel hop. Machs are nice cars dont get me wrong. But it all comes down to you and what you like and can afford. But good luck with your hunt for a stang and take your time looking
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I will have to find that slip after i get moved. My car was stock minus the jlt cai and no mufflers. I have pulled some pretty good times and 60ft's. And im not saying cobras are the ultimate mustang. But with a very good prepped track and knowing how to drive your car is a different game. And driver mod is my specialty ive owned some cars that i never should have walked all over. But i personally prefer a irs cobra over a sra car any day. And wheel hop can be fixed with some radials. Ive never had hop with radials and i launch pretty hard on them and cut some 1.50's sixty foots without wheel hop. Machs are nice cars dont get me wrong. But it all comes down to you and what you like and can afford. But good luck with your hunt for a stang and take your time looking

... Gonna disagree here. The irs might net you a little better street cornering grip and will ride better on the street but at a 1/4 track (or even a smooth circuit.) the irs is not as good. I've seen those things blow up all over the 1/4. They do make nice strengthening kits but it's still 250+ lbs of extra weight. Furthermore, cutting a 1.5 60' is pretty fn heroic. But dr's that's a pretty serious mod when you're talking about drag racing a stock vehicle. My mach runs mid 13 on a 2.0 60' at 5800" above sea level. A 1.5 60' and i would be running 13 flat pretty easily. We really run out of air up here. I think the 99cobra would have trouble getting a 13 flat without the radials. Here for sure it wouldn't happen. (I'm no slouch on the strip.

Edit: oh. I forgot. Another issue for the cobra is the gearing. The 3.27 rear gear looses ground to the 3.55 pretty quick over a 1/4.
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Well i have only pulled my best times at sea level not in Colorado. But the 1.50 60ft was pulled in Colorado at redline launch on radials with full bolt-ons and broke the joint on the axle at the 330 mark. And i dont mind the extra 250ish pounds cuz im going to be sitting at 650+ here in a few weeks. Im not tryin to prove anyone wrong or tell you what you have to have or need. Its all about personal preference when it comes to buying things. But hey wanna argue will argue man
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Ok ok I think everyone needs to calm down. We need to all agree that the 99-01 cobra and the 03-04 Mach 1 are pretty equal powered Stangs. Every car that is taken to the drag strip, doesn't matter if it's a Viper to a Civic it all matters on the driver. So if we are going to start a fist fight on here it will be reported and this thread will be shut down. We are all on the same side here, remember that.
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