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Old 12-14-2012, 07:36 PM   #1
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Whatsup guys...02 GT tremec-3650 here..so I f'ing hate 1st gear, It's so super short, and even if I take off relatively quick in first when I hit the clutch to shift at say 3k than I seem to lose soooooooo much momentum by the time I shift to 2nd and release the clutch..question is, is it safe to drive launching in 2nd lets say 90% of the time? Any harm to the tranny or anything, I could see how it may add to wear on the clutch due to more slipping but I almost feel that by skipping having to slip the clutch to take off in first than again a slight slip to get from 1st to 2nd is about equal the wear on the clutch I would imagine...what's your input on this guys? I know I've searched this a few times but everywhere I read about it on our stangs it seems to be a gray area and can't really find a definitive answer if its gonna screw anything major up or not..thanks guys
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no real harm except like you said clutch wear. it'll be harder on the clutch taking off in second than in first for sure though, also it'll put a little more stress on the engine too, not too much but more.

sounds to me like you need a longer gear. what gears do you have now?
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no real harm except like you said clutch wear. it'll be harder on the clutch taking off in second than in first for sure though, also it'll put a little more stress on the engine too, not too much but more.

sounds to me like you need a longer gear. what gears do you have now?
No idea I believe stock..50 mph puts me right about 2k rpm in 4th gear if I remember correctly..
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that doesn't really tell us anything, but I would probably go with a 3.73 gear, from what you're saying sound like you may have 4.10's or shorter
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:16 PM   #5
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No idea I believe stock..50 mph puts me right about 2k rpm in 4th gear if I remember correctly..
How many rpms are u running at 70?

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How many rpms are u running at 70?
In 5th gear
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How many rpms are u running at 70?

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In 5th gear
Im pretty sure right about 2k I believe
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Im pretty sure right about 2k I believe
I've heard doing that tears up your clutch fast. I wouldn't recommend it.
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Whatsup guys...02 GT tremec-3650 here..so I f'ing hate 1st gear, It's so super short, and even if I take off relatively quick in first when I hit the clutch to shift at say 3k than I seem to lose soooooooo much momentum by the time I shift to 2nd and release the clutch..question is, is it safe to drive launching in 2nd lets say 90% of the time? Any harm to the tranny or anything, I could see how it may add to wear on the clutch due to more slipping but I almost feel that by skipping having to slip the clutch to take off in first than again a slight slip to get from 1st to 2nd is about equal the wear on the clutch I would imagine...what's your input on this guys? I know I've searched this a few times but everywhere I read about it on our stangs it seems to be a gray area and can't really find a definitive answer if its gonna screw anything major up or not..thanks guys
Lol sometimes I come to a complete stop in 2nd and take off accedently lol
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Probably causing engine detonation too.
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Just seems no matter how quick I shift that 1-2 shift I lose so much momentum before gunning it in 2nd
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You might want to swap to an auto...


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Old 12-15-2012, 10:51 AM   #12
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No idea I believe stock..50 mph puts me right about 2k rpm in 4th gear if I remember correctly..
You got the stock 3.27 I'm at the same thing at 50mph
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You got the stock 3.27 I'm at the same thing at 50mph
Do you both have the same size tires? That will also determine speed at certain rpms. What's to say his speedo is even calibrated
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Im pretty sure right about 2k I believe
Sounds like stock 3.27s, here's a link to my "How Fast can I Go in Each Gear?" calculator that will help in sorting it. Toward the upper right of the calculator page is an Axle Ratio Calculator, that is more accurate then I thought it would be if you feed it accurate input data.

The most precise way however is to jack up the back-end and count haw many revs the driveshaft turns for one turn of the wheel--while you are under there take a look at the tag on the tranny, it will have 3L27 stamped on it if it's the stock gears (and of course if they have not been swapped out).

I have the same issue in 1st gear with my 3.73s, exacerbated by the flat land here in NE Florida and the damned lime-rock McAdam that wears smooth as glass. 1st in worthless and I launch in 2nd most all the time. When the 3650 lets go I will be looking at the TKO-600 with the 2.87:1 1st gear (the stock 1st gear is 3.38:1) or a custom built 3650 with that same 1st gear ratio...
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I'm barely under 2k at 70moh I 5th 3.27s
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I'm barely under 2k at 70moh I 5th 3.27s
I'm at the same, also stock 3.27.
I love the stock gears for long road trips on the interstate, this weekend I went on a little trip to New Orleans and got 26mpg all the way there and back.
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I'm at the same, also stock 3.27.
I love the stock gears for long road trips on the interstate, this weekend I went on a little trip to New Orleans and got 26mpg all the way there and back.
Yeah but I'm wanting 3.73 lol. Beat I've got was like 22 this colder weather I'm at 115 miles and half tank lol
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Yeah but I'm wanting 3.73 lol. Beat I've got was like 22 this colder weather I'm at 115 miles and half tank lol
I want 3.73 too I do mostly city driving, but the Interstate gas mileage is so amazing. I'm shocked I get that much.
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I want 3.73 too I do mostly city driving, but the Interstate gas mileage is so amazing. I'm shocked I get that much.
I don't think it will
Hurt that much
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I don't think it will
Hurt that much
I don't either and like I said I do mostly city driving so it will more than likely help me.
But I'm not really worried about MPG but its nice to see them numbers from a mustang GT
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I don't either and like I said I do mostly city driving so it will more than likely help me.
But I'm not really worried about MPG but its nice to see them numbers from a mustang GT


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Whoops lol didn't mean to do that. But yeah that's true
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I took off in second yesterday and yeah that wont happen again, brutal
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I took off in second yesterday and yeah that wont happen again, brutal
I've done it once on accident. Lol
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I took off in second yesterday and yeah that wont happen again, brutal
I did 3rd once just to see if I could do it. It worked but definitely won't be doing it anymore.
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I did 3rd once just to see if I could do it. It worked but definitely won't be doing it anymore.
I accidentally did that in our corvette at a light once, but it was my 1st time driving stick so you can probably guess what happened.
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I accidentally did that in our corvette at a light once, but it was my 1st time driving stick so you can probably guess what happened.
Clunk. Lol
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I accidentally did that in our corvette at a light once, but it was my 1st time driving stick so you can probably guess what happened.
The only time that I stall anymore is when I forget it is still in gear. Happens more than you think it would.
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pretty spiffy calculator cliffyk, appearantly in 5th im at 75.6 mph at 2k rpms, deff makes sense lol. although i wonder in 1st i can get to 41 mph imma try that out later to see how accurate that calculater is, pretty nice to know though that i can top out at 207 mph if i can ever have enough room to get there lol.
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pretty spiffy calculator cliffyk, appearantly in 5th im at 75.6 mph at 2k rpms, deff makes sense lol. although i wonder in 1st i can get to 41 mph imma try that out later to see how accurate that calculater is, pretty nice to know though that i can top out at 207 mph if i can ever have enough room to get there lol.
Here is my "How Much HP Does It Take to Go How Fast?" calculator.

You need to correlate your engines' power output at the corresponding RPMs to make it all work, which is a bit complex--however keep in mind that when talking top speed 250 HP at 5500 rpm means nothing unless your engine is turning 5500 rpm at top speed...
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seems i need to gain roughly 175 hp more lol. nice to know i like the site u have, i did my o2 deletes how it said to use the capacitor and resistance, works like a charm
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