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Old 05-26-2013, 01:10 PM   #71
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Well crap. What can I do?
I have..
4.10s w/31s axles
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70mm TB and Plenum
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O/R X
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Well crap. What can I do?
I have..
4.10s w/31s axles
CAI
70mm TB and Plenum
Pulleys
O/R X
Borla Stingers
Eibach prostreet
Upper and lower arms

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I do not see a tune or tuner on your list--a tune optimised for the highest octane fuel available in your area should have been number 1 or 2...
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Old 05-26-2013, 01:21 PM   #73
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I do not see a tune or tuner on your list--a tune optimised for the highest octane fuel available in your area should have been number 1 or 2...
s*** I have a tuner as well..oops
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What sort of tune are you running? Something optimised for your engine, or a canned or mail-order tune--do you know what tune parameters were changed and by how much?

Do you know what the AFR curve looks like in open-loop mode? Tweaking that and ignition timings is where the biggest bangs for the buck will be found--always. With modern EFI systems no matter what you do to the engine mechanically it is the tune that runs the show...
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What sort of tune are you running? Something optimised for your engine, or a canned or mail-order tune--do you know what tune parameters were changed and by how much?

Do you know what the AFR curve looks like in open-loop mode? Tweaking that and ignition timings is where the biggest bangs for the buck will be found--always. With modern EFI systems no matter what you do to the engine mechanically it is the tune that runs the show...
No idea on any of that its a bama custom 93 race tune.
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BAMA does good tunes, not as good as a hand's on fully tweaked tune, but as good as any remote tune can be.

If you wish to do it right then learn to tune it yourself, and never pay to have it done again. Look on Amazon for a book named Engine Management: Advanced Tuning by Greg Banish--a great place to start...
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BAMA does good tunes, not as good as a hand's on fully tweaked tune, but as good as any remote tune can be.

If you wish to do it right then learn to tune it yourself, and never pay to have it done again. Look on Amazon for a book named Engine Management: Advanced Tuning by Greg Banish--a great place to start...
AWESOME! Thanks a lot!
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I am ordering that book and then a Moates QH whenever money allows. I don't fancy paying $600 for a tune whenever I change something major. I don't have a problem paying for dyno time but I just can't justify the cost of a dyno tune when I can learn to do it myself.
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I am ordering that book and then a Moates QH whenever money allows. I don't fancy paying $600 for a tune whenever I change something major. I don't have a problem paying for dyno time but I just can't justify the cost of a dyno tune when I can learn to do it myself.
I have a QH that is only slightly used, PM me and we might be able to work something out. No software included as I was using it with Delta force's Commando (which had in earlier versions direct support for the Quarter horse)...
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What about headers?
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What about headers?
In my opinion--not worth the expense and hassle (at least one will have to come off if you need to pull the tranny) for a 2V unless you also plan on doing cams and heads. Without cams and head work all they will do is shift the power band around a bit for relatively modest (10 to 15 HP) and big $$/HP gain.

They do sound very nice...
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So you don't think adding headers with a 2.5 inch pipe setup is worth 10-15 hp for the amount of money spent?
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Long tubes or shortys?
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I'm not sure the difference I was hoping someone could shed some light on that one. I remember on some of the old third generation camaros people would suggest headers because the stock ones were so restrictive. Am I to take it that the stock mustang headers are not that bad?
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So you don't think adding headers with a 2.5 inch pipe setup is worth 10-15 hp for the amount of money spent?
Yes, I thought I had made that clear...

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Long tubes or shortys?
"Shorties" are not headers, just manifolds welded up from steel tubing instead of being made of cast iron. The tubes on shorties are not long enough to accomplish anything, and on many they are not even of equal length.

Here is a good Headers 101 document that introduces the design goals of real headers...
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+1.

All these questions have been answered many times on this forum, even on the thread.
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Thanx for the info. I would imagine that the info is.located elsewhere as.well but it's kind of hard for newer guys like me to scour the whole forum looking for answers to our specific questions every time. I mentioned it because I didn't see it in the list in the beginning of the thread.

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Thanx for the info. I would imagine that the info is.located elsewhere as.well but it's kind of hard for newer guys like me to scour the whole forum looking for answers to our specific questions every time. I mentioned it because I didn't see it in the list in the beginning of the thread.

Thanx again.
Now you know why I did not mention them in the original posting...
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Thanx for the info. I would imagine that the info is.located elsewhere as.well but it's kind of hard for newer guys like me to scour the whole forum looking for answers to our specific questions every time. I mentioned it because I didn't see it in the list in the beginning of the thread.

Thanx again.
Not to be a d!ck, but read. And search. Then read some more. Educated questions shall soon follow

We were all noobs at one point, and some still are (guilty). There's no shame in asking Q's, but i can guarantee you if you search ME for 'headers' or 'lth' or 'long tubes' you can get an overwhelming amount of newbie-new threads asking the same thing because everybody thinks their 'perspective' is unique. That or they're just lazy.

Anyways, consider this dead horse beaten once more
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Well I had no intentions of asking that specific question regarding the headers until someone brought up whether I was referring to long or short ones. My original question was in regards to headers and if they were worth it as a power adder. Someone gave me an answer and I asked whether 10-15 hp was not worth it.

You're assuming i didn't search. Searching doesn't guarantee your specific question regarding a specific circumstance has been answered to the posters satisfaction. This is a discussion board last time I checked not a library where you aren't allowed to ask questions regardless of how many times a topic has been discussed before.
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What about headers?
THAT is your original question. I suppose the correct answer should have been "what about them?" ONLY THEN could one deduce your intent.

I can guarantee you did not search...
9 pages on 'headers'
12 pages on 'long tubes'
yet miraculously nobody has asked specifically about the cost benefits of them.

Consider me schooled. Welcome to the library

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Someone in this thread said the headers were worth only 10-15 hp which had me wondering why he thought 10-15 hp was worth passing up.

Your guarantees on me searching or not are meaningless to anyone but yourself sir.if you don't want to answer the question then don't answer. Its that easy
A lot easier than counting pages that may or may not answer my question.
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Someone in this thread said the headers were worth only 10-15 hp which had me wondering why he thought 10-15 hp was worth passing up.

Your guarantees on me searching or not are meaningless to anyone but yourself sir.if you don't want to answer the question then don't answer. Its that easy
A lot easier than counting pages that may or may not answer my question.
When installing long tubes the K-member has to be taken off in order to get them in. Most shops charge a lot of labor on the install off those, hence the reason they aren't worth the money. It all boils down to if you think they are worth the money or not.

Everyone on here may seem like a jackass right now mostly because exhaust threads are the #1 thread that pops up on this forum and it gets kind of annoying to read about this combo and that combo and all that crap time and time again. But despite the slightly frosty welcome you got all the guys on here are pretty awesome and fairly knowledgeable. And welcome to ME!
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Thanx for the explanation.i was wondering why someone would pass up 10-15 hp. That makes a lot of sense.

And Thanx for the warm welcome guys. I appreciate it. Lol.
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an exhaust would be the best way to start
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was reading another thread and posted this one on accident lol
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Looks like you dont know what you're posting on any thread just adding "+1" to everything
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so me getting 50 post is ignorant?
putting +1 on everything is ignorant. If that's what you consider ACTUALLY posting then yes it's ignorant.
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putting +1 on everything is ignorant. If that's what you consider ACTUALLY posting then yes it's ignorant.
no one are got on them for posting +1?
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no one are got on them for posting +1?
It's ok to do it every now and then but one after the other is considered padding your post count and is against the forum rules. http://www.mustangevolution.com/foru...ork&page=rules
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