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Old 02-18-2013, 12:33 AM   #1
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Hard time starting up

So occasionally when I go to start the car up it had to crank extra then has a weak start up. It's not all the time and when it's running it drives perfectly. I don't think it's the fuel pump because it drives just fine, just has a problem starting up... The battery has a bit of red corrosion on it but I'm pretty sure that's not what is causing it. Any ideas?
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Old 02-18-2013, 12:38 AM   #2
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get the battery and charging system tested..it's free at Advance.
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get the battery and charging system tested..it's free at Advance.
I'll do that tomorrow, there is an o'reillys and autozone right near each other I can go to. So get the battery and maybe alternator checked?
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Your alternator shouldn't affect starting up. You can test your battery for voltage and just do a tune up. Coil pack, wires, plugs
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While the alternator won't directly affect starting, if it is putting out low voltage it may not be charging the battery to its full potential. This can negatively affect starting. You are on the right track getting both tested. Start easy (and free) and test those first.
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I'm hoping its nothing too bad, I can deal with replacing a battery but don't want to do something that costs a ton of $$
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Old 02-18-2013, 06:34 AM   #7
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I am right there with you. I just rebuilt my alternator in mine and saved over a hundred bucks. It was a fun project.
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Any new news about your problem?
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Haven't had time to do anything. It didn't do it today though. I'll take it to autozone Thursday and have them check the battery and some other stuff... This weekend I might check the spark plugs and sea foam it.
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Alternator just charges the battery and keeps the car running. Nothing to do with start up.
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Ok so it did it today again, it started right up the first time, and I was warming it up because it was frosted over, so I turned it off after about 5 minutes and waited a few seconds and turned it back on. That time I had to crank it a few times. I'm not an expert but it sounds like its not getting enough charge from the battery.
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Does it only do it on cold mornings? Or is it random?
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Ok so it did it today again, it started right up the first time, and I was warming it up because it was frosted over, so I turned it off after about 5 minutes and waited a few seconds and turned it back on. That time I had to crank it a few times. I'm not an expert but it sounds like its not getting enough charge from the battery.
Well go get your alternator and battery checked. Cause your alternator could not be charging it or your battery is just crap if its old.
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Well go get your alternator and battery checked. Cause your alternator could not be charging it or your battery is just crap if its old.
I'll get both checked. It does seen to happen only after I drive it for a while, turn it off then turn it on again.
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Alternator would be my first guess!.. My car did something similar not long ago, needed up needing a new alternator.
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I have the same problem, every once in a while it won't want to turn over. It eight be the cobra alternator that was used on our cars.

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I have the same problem, every once in a while it won't want to turn over. It eight be the cobra alternator that was used on our cars.
Might, not eight
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I'll get both checked, cause it could be the battery not keeping a charge... I noticed a little red corrosion on the battery.
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I'll get both checked, cause it could be the battery not keeping a charge... I noticed a little red corrosion on the battery.
i would go with that the battery is no good, as in it doesnt hold any charge properly and is really low on its cranking amps. if its corroding by the terminals that means its leaking acid and surface discharging, even if the battery reads a good voltage it doesnt mean that its state of hold is good. get the battery checked out as alternator goes you can check that easily by pulling the positive connector off and seeing if the car maintains itslef alive, that would tell you that the alternator is atleast charging correctly. this is just my opinion i have seen many batteries show good voltage but be bad.
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I had the exact same problem and progressively got worse. Changed the Altenator and seemed to help for a short period of time and then problem came back. Got a new battery and car fired up no problem. Just buy a new battery if ur other one is old even if it's not ur problem Atleast it's one thing off the list u dont have to worry about for awhile.
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Recently had the same problem with my F150. Battery was good, alternator was good. Turned out to be my starter getting weak. When it was cool it would start right up. After driving, I would nearly drain my battery to get it started.

Your starter gets pretty hot after use and doesn't cool very fast. When it's hot bad bearings inside will bind and drag, pulling more amps to turn. This makes it seem like a weak battery.
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Recently had the same problem with my F150. Battery was good, alternator was good. Turned out to be my starter getting weak. When it was cool it would start right up. After driving, I would nearly drain my battery to get it started.

Your starter gets pretty hot after use and doesn't cool very fast. When it's hot bad bearings inside will bind and drag, pulling more amps to turn. This makes it seem like a weak battery.
What do u mean after driving it? Like driving it, turning it off and restarting?
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What do u mean after driving it? Like driving it, turning it off and restarting?
Short trips were worse, because I think for two reasons the starter was still hot and my battery hadn't been fully charged after being drained. It seemed that if my truck was warm it would turn over hard.
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I'll get the battery and alternator checked after school today.
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Ok so the battery and alternator are fine... I was able to get a video of whats happening so you guys can better understand it. I'm starting to think it might be the starter, but I will take all of your opinions.
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I am right there with you. I just rebuilt my alternator in mine and saved over a hundred bucks. It was a fun project.
Can you shoot me info on alt rebuild? I need to do it

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Ok so the battery and alternator are fine... I was able to get a video of whats happening so you guys can better understand it. I'm starting to think it might be the starter, but I will take all of your opinions.
Check the terminals make sure one of the connectors are not cracked mine was doing this and it ended up being a crack through the neg connector
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Can you shoot me info on alt rebuild? I need to do it

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Check the terminals make sure one of the connectors are not cracked mine was doing this and it ended up being a crack through the neg connector
I'm not great with mechanics, could you break that down a little more for me? I'm pretty knowledgeable about stuff but when I have to do something it's like my brain shuts down.
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I had this problem, and I could see my battery gauge, move back and forth. Changed the battery and no problems since. And this happened during the rainy season
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I had this problem, and I could see my battery gauge, move back and forth. Changed the battery and no problems since. And this happened during the rainy season
I already know the battery is fine, i got that checked today. I guess after school tomorrow and this weekend i'll check all the ignition wiring and terminals... Just gotta figure out how to do that first lol.
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I'm not great with mechanics, could you break that down a little more for me? I'm pretty knowledgeable about stuff but when I have to do something it's like my brain shuts down.
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Take it to a local automotive shop
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I'm trying to do everything without spending a whole ton of money, being in HS making $300 a month (in a good month) doesn't leave much room to breathe when stuff happens.
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Recently had the same problem with my F150. Battery was good, alternator was good. Turned out to be my starter getting weak. When it was cool it would start right up. After driving, I would nearly drain my battery to get it started.

Your starter gets pretty hot after use and doesn't cool very fast. When it's hot bad bearings inside will bind and drag, pulling more amps to turn. This makes it seem like a weak battery.
What are the symptoms if the starter is bad? While the car has new replace battery and alternator ?
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What are the symptoms if the starter is bad? While the car has new replace battery and alternator ?
Here is what was going on with me. Out of the blue one day as I was starting my truck, the starter made a little hesitation. Like it got stuck for a second. Then my motor turned over super slow just before starting. I drive to the gas station about 5 min away. Got gas and jumped in to start. It did the same thing. This went on for a week and slowly got worse. I figured it was my battery. I cleaned and tightened terminals, went to NAPA and had my alternator checked, was good. They checked the battery and it was a bit low but not terrible. Was coming up on winter so I purchased a battery anyway. The problem got better but was still there. Eventually it got cold and every time I would turn over the starter it would get to that one spot and almost kill my battery. If it was really cold it wouldn't start at all (Thank god for nice people) I immediately replaced the starter. Now she starts right up. Matter a fact it was -37 here the other day. She sat outside all night and in the morning turned over a couple if times and popped right off. You can pull your starter and have it tested. But I figured for $90 I'd just gamble. It's a 96 and probably needs a lot of new things. But it's my winter beater so..... I don't fix it unless I need to. Money is better spent on the stang.
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I had a similar starting problem and autozone said my alternator had a bad diode in it. There is a rebuild kit but I just bought a new one from eBay for I think 89. Pm me and I'll look for the company name and give you the info. New alternator works great and no more hard starts.
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Alternators good, battery is good, anyone else have any ideas about my problem?
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