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Old 03-30-2013, 12:45 AM   #1
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So I started having starter issues a few days ago and then yesterday I went to pick up my daughter from daycare and it wouldn't start. I checked all the connections and couldn't find anything and all it would do was click. So I picked up a new starter this morning and installed it and nothing happened. I proceeded to go over all the wiring and found no problems. I started checking the power with a meter and it checks out. I jumped the terminals on the CSS and the starter relay and still no crank. I'm thinking it has to do with the security system but I'm at a total loss with that since most of my cars have been close to 40 years old. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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May be wrong but have you looked into any passive anti theft system ( P.a.t.s) lockout links or threads on in regards to not starting it could be in security mode
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What about the ground
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The ground is fine and no I haven't looked into the pats system thanks for the suggestion
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The PATS used on Mustangs from '96 to '04 does not have a starter interrupt.

Have you checked the battery voltage while attempting the crank the engine? A weak cell can produce enough voltage that the battery will read around 12.6 V when idle, but drop too low to crank the engine under load...
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I've checked that and power input is good it's just not being told to crank

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I checked the power and it all checks out its just not being told to crank and I have no idea y
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Maybe its irrelevant but i had a montero come in for replacement of its terminals a few days ago. The installer installed new ones and when it came time turn on car it would just click. Replaced the starter and still nothing. What ended up being the issue i guess was that the terminals weren't tight enough i guess cause i loosed up everything double checked it and put it back tightened everything up and boom it started however we also recommend its starter relay as well. Maybe it has to do with the terminals. Like i said may or may not relate
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I cleaned and tightened the terminals and switched out the relays and still nuthin not even any clicking from the starter
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Have u tried hecked fuses yet?
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Old 03-30-2013, 04:13 PM   #10
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I checked every fuse and there all good I'm at a total loss
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In engine bay and inside drivee sied?
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Old 03-30-2013, 04:28 PM   #12
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Got them both
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Lights fuel pump ect come on when key is turned over?
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Old 03-30-2013, 04:48 PM   #14
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Fusible link?

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Possibility of it are slim but can happen a fusible link wont let it start up.
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Everything lights up like normal and if your referring to the one in the power wire to the starter it's getting power I checked it with a meter
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What about the ignition switch?
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Old 03-30-2013, 06:05 PM   #17
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The switch is my next step not that I know what im doing cause I'm terrible with electrical issues
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Haha theres a first for everything
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So I started having starter issues a few days ago and then yesterday I went to pick up my daughter from daycare and it wouldn't start. I checked all the connections and couldn't find anything and all it would do was click. So I picked up a new starter this morning and installed it and nothing happened. I proceeded to go over all the wiring and found no problems. I started checking the power with a meter and it checks out. I jumped the terminals on the CSS and the starter relay and still no crank. I'm thinking it has to do with the security system but I'm at a total loss with that since most of my cars have been close to 40 years old. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I don't know it you have auto or stick but I have a auto and me and my buddy put in a transmission and every now and then my mustang won't crank but my radio comes on and my light on the dash just won't start found out I have a bad linkage so what I have to do is make sure I push my shifter into park and then it cranks right up maybe that it if you have an auto?

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I've checked that and power input is good it's just not being told to crank

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I checked the power and it all checks out its just not being told to crank and I have no idea y
What is the battery voltage while you are trying to crank the engine? Does it change at all?

You can check it via the cigar lighter socket if it's more convenient...
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Unfortunately I was an idiot and forgot what my readings were before and left my trunk open with the light on and killed the battery
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Unfortunately I was an idiot and forgot what my readings were before and left my trunk open with the light on and killed the battery
I am not asking that, what is the battery voltage now while you try to crank the engine--does it change at all when you do so? If not then you have a wiring, perhaps an ignition switch or relay, problem. If it drops below 10.5V then the battery has a weak/dying cell. Weak cells can provide their 2.1V when the battery is not or lightly loaded; but under higher loads (like the starter relay and solenoid) they cannot.

In a situation like yours measuring the battery voltage while attempting to crank the engine is pretty close to test #1...
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When I get the battery charged ill do it again to see what it is
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Old 03-31-2013, 12:54 PM   #24
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Installed a new battery cause the old one was no good and now all I get is clicking
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I know this might be lame and no help at all but did they check that starter before you put it in? I bought a new one for another car and it was bad new. I bought another one and made them check it while I was there.
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I jumped the terminals last night to make sure it had power to it and it worked it was just very weak due to the bad battery
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Only thing i can think of is get a test light have some one try to start the car and keep probing till you get power. And then start from there and see what isn't letting the power through
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Ok. Good deal. So how about unbolting it and pulling it away from the car, leaving it wired and gettin somebody to bump the key. See if it works from the key.

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Yeah, I agree. Nothing looks mangled on the flywheel or anything? Sorry brother, I'm grabbin for straws. Electrical stinks!

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Kinda surprises me it's not throwing any codes.
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Ok. Good deal. So how about unbolting it and pulling it away from the car, leaving it wired and gettin somebody to bump the key. See if it works from the key.

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Yeah, I agree. Nothing looks mangled on the flywheel or anything? Sorry brother, I'm grabbin for straws. Electrical stinks!

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Kinda surprises me it's not throwing any codes.
I wouldn't no if it is throwin any codes I don't have a scanner and as far as buyin anything all my funds are officially exhausted so now I have to work with wat I have this will definitely be the last newer car I own 1972 and older from here on out
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I got your back. Surly somebody here or on the web has had the same trouble.
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I hope someone has had the same problem and can point me in the right direction cause I need this car to run tonite
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I hope someone has had the same problem and can point me in the right direction cause I need this car to run tonite
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, have you checked the battery voltage while cranking the engine? I realize it is a new battery, but that does not mean it is a fully charged good battery.

Checking the voltage at the battery terminals while cranking will tell a story...
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I did check it while cranking it was t 12.62
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Look under the dash for a black box that would be your aftermarket alarm just unplug the white wire going to the black box

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Omg i had this problem with my 96 sorry to say after reading thru but its the computer buddy.
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I'm not going to jump to conclusions just yet I have my electrical guru buddy headin over later to take a look
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