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Old 04-26-2013, 10:00 PM   #1
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Supercharge or Terminator

I'm 20.. I can either supercharge my Mach 1 or get a Terminator ..

The only Cons about getting a Terminator TO ME is I think the interior is just horrible , I hate those ugly seats. IRS is junk to me , they are known to have dead cylinders ( 6&8 ) and the mass majority of them are ragged out and modded.

I can do a eaton swap for a little over 2 grand and I've seen numbers from 420-440 rwhp with a safe tune. Or go procharged for 460+ rwhp
So that would be more than a stock terminator.. For most likely the same amount I would spend.
Some pros : I have a solid rear , Interior, and know my car isn't ragged out, I bought it completely stock not saying its better than the cobra forged out long block Lol. Just saying
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All I can say is what a problem to have! Have you already found the termi you are considering? That is where I would start. If you find an unmolested one, then it's all about what you like and wanna do. Either way, keep up posted.
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Kenne belle ftw lol. Honestly what is the difference in a termi and a mach.... none in my opinion except termi is well fi. Now if i were in that position i know there are some kenne belles or whipples that would make that mach fly safely in the 450 range but do your research. But honestly i think that a centrifugal sc might be able to push out more. In whatever case u choose please keep us posted
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I'm 20.. I can either supercharge my Mach 1 or get a Terminator ..

The only Cons about getting a Terminator TO ME is I think the interior is just horrible , I hate those ugly seats. IRS is junk to me , they are known to have dead cylinders ( 6&8 ) and the mass majority of them are ragged out and modded.

I can do a eaton swap for a little over 2 grand and I've seen numbers from 420-440 rwhp with a safe tune. Or go procharged for 460+ rwhp
So that would be more than a stock terminator.. For most likely the same amount I would spend.
Some pros : I have a solid rear , Interior, and know my car isn't ragged out, I bought it completely stock not saying its better than the cobra forged out long block Lol. Just saying
Any thoughts ?
Personally, I'd rather make my car better than buy a "better" car. You never know what you're getting when you buy something from someone else, no matter how clean it seems.
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Sounds a little negative to me,like you already have your mind made up. There are plenty of people that push 700 HP w/IRS and do just fine. The Termi is a better base to start with and with some simple pulley swaps and exhaust mods you can have a safe 470 or so HP. Its your car so do what makes you happy. Machs are awesome also but the Termi is a beast and you can find a unmolested one easier than you think.
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Sounds a little negative to me,like you already have your mind made up. There are plenty of people that push 700 HP w/IRS and do just fine. The Termi is a better base to start with and with some simple pulley swaps and exhaust mods you can have a safe 470 or so HP. Its your car so do what makes you happy. Machs are awesome also but the Termi is a beast and you can find a unmolested one easier than you think.
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The terminators have forged internals and infinitely more potential without having to rip the motor apart. Machs blow up around 500.
I adore Machs, but if I'm spending that kind of money, I want a car that can take the abuse without needing the have the bottom end rebuilt.
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1 - The Mach 1 uses the same internals as all the other 4.6s minus the Termi of course so you are still limited to the 400-450whp that every other non-termi 96-04 is limited to.

2 - All the C heads are prone to the cylinder overheat issue that you mention. Guess what kind of heads your mach has.

3 - IRS is fine, you just have to upgrade the bushings to not suck and get rid of wheel hop. In an all out 1/4 car, yeah go SRA but for a street/strip car IRS all the way.

4 - To each their own but I personally think you are smoking crack thinking the Cobra seats are ugly. But if you don't like them there are PLENTY of ppl who will give you $1k+ for them and then just turn around and put that towards a set of Recaros are Corbeaus or something.

5 - Terminator is the better base to start out with and if you're going to save money getting one vs supercharging yours it really is a no brainer.
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1 - The Mach 1 uses the same internals as all the other 4.6s minus the Termi of course so you are still limited to the 400-450whp that every other non-termi 96-04 is limited to.

2 - All the C heads are prone to the cylinder overheat issue that you mention. Guess what kind of heads your mach has.

3 - IRS is fine, you just have to upgrade the bushings to not suck and get rid of wheel hop. In an all out 1/4 car, yeah go SRA but for a street/strip car IRS all the way.

4 - To each their own but I personally think you are smoking crack thinking the Cobra seats are ugly. But if you don't like them there are PLENTY of ppl who will give you $1k+ for them and then just turn around and put that towards a set of Recaros are Corbeaus or something.

5 - Terminator is the better base to start out with and if you're going to save money getting one vs supercharging yours it really is a no brainer.
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Machs are nice stock, but if i were you id say its my car and im going boost.
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I don't get it, the money you spend on buying a terminator and not doing any upgrades to it is well over what he would put into the mach. He could rebuild the engine procharge it and still be under the coat of having to sell the mach and buying a terminator. To me it seems like a big gimmick, i would rather have a car like the mach 1 that people know but don't expect it to be make 450hp. VS the terminator which people who know the car go yeah we know what its got. Make your car your own do something different and make your mach stand out upgrade that thing!
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if u sell the mach give me a call
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Personnslly Im in the place man with this. Except I got a GT not a mach1. I was told by someone with an 03 cobra not the terminator but with 28,000 original miles if I gave him 4,000 cash plus my GT we would swap. I think Im going to keep my car and just buy his straight out then Ill have two. If I go that way I need to sell two vehicles though. Im 21 no need for 4 cars.
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Personnslly Im in the place man with this. Except I got a GT not a mach1. I was told by someone with an 03 cobra not the terminator but with 28,000 original miles if I gave him 4,000 cash plus my GT we would swap. I think Im going to keep my car and just buy his straight out then Ill have two. If I go that way I need to sell two vehicles though. Im 21 no need for 4 cars.
An 03 cobra is a terminator though
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1 - The Mach 1 uses the same internals as all the other 4.6s minus the Termi of course so you are still limited to the 400-450whp that every other non-termi 96-04 is limited to.

2 - All the C heads are prone to the cylinder overheat issue that you mention. Guess what kind of heads your mach has.

3 - IRS is fine, you just have to upgrade the bushings to not suck and get rid of wheel hop. In an all out 1/4 car, yeah go SRA but for a street/strip car IRS all the way.

4 - To each their own but I personally think you are smoking crack thinking the Cobra seats are ugly. But if you don't like them there are PLENTY of ppl who will give you $1k+ for them and then just turn around and put that towards a set of Recaros are Corbeaus or something.

5 - Terminator is the better base to start out with and if you're going to save money getting one vs supercharging yours it really is a no brainer.
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An 03 cobra is a terminator though
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Oh didnt think that all 03 cobras were terminators I only thought it was the black ones. Learn something new.
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Oh didnt think that all 03 cobras were terminators I only thought it was the black ones. Learn something new.
03-04 cobras are terminators.
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03-04 cobras are terminators.
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as far as practicality buy the terminator.... hands down better way to go.

1. You keep the value up (supercharing the mach will not increase its value, and the mods wont bring back any real value if sold later (maybe 50% of orig investment).

2. The 03/04 will be worth more down the road and has much more potential

3. Less hassle (easy bolt ons = 450 rwhp/tq and its far safer, you take a risk supercharging the mach, would you be able to handle it if it blew the motor up or would it sit forever to get fixed?
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as far as practicality buy the terminator.... hands down better way to go.

1. You keep the value up (supercharing the mach will not increase its value, and the mods wont bring back any real value if sold later (maybe 50% of orig investment).

2. The 03/04 will be worth more down the road and has much more potential

3. Less hassle (easy bolt ons = 450 rwhp/tq and its far safer, you take a risk supercharging the mach, would you be able to handle it if it blew the motor up or would it sit forever to get fixed?
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as far as practicality buy the terminator.... hands down better way to go.

1. You keep the value up (supercharing the mach will not increase its value, and the mods wont bring back any real value if sold later (maybe 50% of orig investment).

2. The 03/04 will be worth more down the road and has much more potential

3. Less hassle (easy bolt ons = 450 rwhp/tq and its far safer, you take a risk supercharging the mach, would you be able to handle it if it blew the motor up or would it sit forever to get fixed?
+10000 power isn't everything, you need to think about practicality and how it's value will fair down the road, along with reliability.
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I'm 20.. I can either supercharge my Mach 1 or get a Terminator ..

The only Cons about getting a Terminator TO ME is I think the interior is just horrible , I hate those ugly seats. IRS is junk to me , they are known to have dead cylinders ( 6&8 ) and the mass majority of them are ragged out and modded.

I can do a eaton swap for a little over 2 grand and I've seen numbers from 420-440 rwhp with a safe tune. Or go procharged for 460+ rwhp
So that would be more than a stock terminator.. For most likely the same amount I would spend.
Some pros : I have a solid rear , Interior, and know my car isn't ragged out, I bought it completely stock not saying its better than the cobra forged out long block Lol. Just saying
Any thoughts ?
What is this dead cylinder problem you are referring to? News to me and I bought my cobra in 07
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as far as practicality buy the terminator.... hands down better way to go.

1. You keep the value up (supercharing the mach will not increase its value, and the mods wont bring back any real value if sold later (maybe 50% of orig investment).

2. The 03/04 will be worth more down the road and has much more potential

3. Less hassle (easy bolt ons = 450 rwhp/tq and its far safer, you take a risk supercharging the mach, would you be able to handle it if it blew the motor up or would it sit forever to get fixed?
I agree. You could also surprise the hell out of people with a blown Mach though. Depends what you want to do! If it was me, I'd get the terminator in a heartbeat. But that's just me.
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Honestly if you are going to rebuild the engine and supercharge, just sell it and make several $thousands back "downgrading" to a clean GT. Put that money into a forged motor, some ported heads and a supercharger setup. If you want a car absolutely nobody will expect to be quick make it a 96-98 4.6L. Nothing is disrespected more in the latemodel mustang world than a 96-98 with a GT 4.6L badge. You can get them for peanuts, even a very clean one. With the Mach you need to upgrade the:

1-Motor
2-Trans (unless its an auto)
3-Rear
4-Suspension

Same damn thing with the GT except you'll be starting out with a stupid cheap base and have the same results when done. The 2V vs 4V gap is diminishing more and more especially when you throw power adders into the mix. Hitting 550-600+whp with a ported PI 2V car is actually pretty commonplace these days...
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I gotta agree termi is a monster but a blown mach is not common atleast in my area.
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