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Old 06-13-2013, 09:33 PM   #1
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Long tubes or Shorties?

I'm looking to get some new headers and really don't know what's best.. Is it better to go with long tubes or shorty headers on a 4.6? Opinions please
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And by the way, I will be doing a complete motor swap so the new motor will be out of the car with the headers on before I drop it in my car.
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everyone one on here is going to post that shorties are worthless...Ive had shorties on every v8 ive owned and they are great!. I have heard from so many people that long tubes have so many fitment issues and stuff, yes you wont get quite the gains of longtubes but anything is way better than stock
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If choosing between the two id go lt's.

Stock manifolds are good on our cars though either way
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I've heard from a lot of people if you are doing a complete motor swap that long tubes are the way to go, but a lot of people have also told me to go with shorties because they fit better, I just don't know what to do lol
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shorties fit way better, ive never had a fitment issue. In the case of my truck since i live in utah, it would hardly make it over parleys summit but with shorties it flies over with a full load in the back. You really cant feel a noticeable difference between the two

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If you do anything like procharge/supercharge I would definitely go long tube though
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Yep I'm planning on supercharge/turbo or nitrous. Not sure which yet but that's why I thought long tubes
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Yep I'm planning on supercharge/turbo or nitrous. Not sure which yet but that's why I thought long tubes
Definitely get Longtunes then just so it's done and if you want bigger gains later you'll be set
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Gotcha yeah longs then, hopefully they fit up for you good
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Thanks y'all. that's what I thought I would go with, but thanks for the help!
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Good luck. Hope the fitment is good. Make sure you match brand names to help it go a little smoother also make sure you get a shorty mid.
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If you're manual and you get longtubes, I wish you good luck when you need to change the clutch
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Don't do long tubes they are an absolute pain to install it will take you longer than a motor swap on these cars half the time and have even had to go as far as shimming the subframe just so they will clear on a 03 cobra had lots of fitment issues and they will have to come out every time you do a clutch shorties are ten times easier to install and help plenty compared to stock
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If you're manual and you get longtubes, I wish you good luck when you need to change the clutch
This is the pain im feeling, i installed my lts myself and it was a complete pita. It was a first time install aswell. So it took me approximately 15 hours. And now i realize as im hitting 90k miles i shoulda done the clutch at the same time. If u have a t45 u might be able to swap the clutch with the lts in tact. Could be wrong though. If u plan on drag racing and beatin on the clutch u might wanna go shortys. Just sayin man. I plan on keepin my lts though cuz idgaf and they sound mean as ****!
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Just get Bassani Mid-lengths. You get the scavenging and flow benefits of LTs (although a bit less) without the fitment issues.
And seriously, shorties flow exactly the same as the stock manifolds. You can say yours don't, but you're only fooling yourself.
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If you're manual and you get longtubes, I wish you good luck when you need to change the clutch
Bingo.

Which is why a new clutch everything is going in mine first
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Bingo.

Which is why a new clutch everything is going in mine first
Wish i woulda done this.... Lol
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With Mac long tubes your suppose to be able to get the tranny out without removing the headers.
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With Mac long tubes your suppose to be able to get the tranny out without removing the headers.
I am hoping that is true, some conflicting information abounds on the subject. Both my side neighbors have engine hoists so i'm feeling a bit better about it lol

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Wish i woulda done this.... Lol
Despite my itchin and twitchin to jump head-first into the mods, there was plenty of advice (special h/t to Jazzer too) to think about your end-goals. I read a ***** ton on 6 different Mustang fora, write-ups and how-to's on AM, some vids on u-toob, a whole dearth of information to absorb. The more i read, the more things made sense, and the more fine-tuned my eventual goals became. I've had an email dialogue with a rep from Steeda, nailing down with precision the suspension route (which btw, should be done FIRST before adding any power...gotta lay it down safely!). I don't want to bloviate too much here and hijack the fcuk outta this thread so i will stop it here. Feel free to shoot me a PM if u like, i can kill some keystrokes no worries lol

EDIT: ^^ i dont mean to sound like a knowitall dooshbag, i think my coffee valve is stuck wide open sorry!
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Lol my coffee valve is going wide open here in a min... take off in 9 hours, then an 18 hour duty day...

As for shorties... they dont flow any better than the stockers. These are not the same restrictive headers that came on the 5.0... longtubes... if you are going to do them, do it right the first time and get kooks. They are $1200 a pair but the absolute best. Fully stainless, no fit issues, made in usa, lifetime warranty. If you are thinking of going turbo... why in hell are you messing with headers now?
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Lol my coffee valve is going wide open here in a min... take off in 9 hours, then an 18 hour duty day...

As for shorties... they dont flow any better than the stockers. These are not the same restrictive headers that came on the 5.0... longtubes... if you are going to do them, do it right the first time and get kooks. They are $1200 a pair but the absolute best. Fully stainless, no fit issues, made in usa, lifetime warranty. If you are thinking of going turbo... why in hell are you messing with headers now?
With kooks do you have to drop them to get to your clutch?
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I'm trying to figure out what I should do just so I'll know ahead of time. I'm building a motor and want to know what kind of headers to go with.
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With kooks do you have to drop them to get to your clutch?
With the 1 piece bellhousing transmissions yeah you have to remove the headers... I was able to do my clutch in my 5.0 with MAC longtubes but that was because I could pull the trans out sans bell and then maneuver the bell out separetly... Not the case with the modulars.

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I'm trying to figure out what I should do just so I'll know ahead of time. I'm building a motor and want to know what kind of headers to go with.
Building how? Staying NA? Can you afford a $2k exhaust system? What are your goals? You aren't going to get much because we aren't telepathic and there are a million different motor combos.
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I've said earlier I don't know if I'm going turbo/supercharge or nitrous.

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I have a Romeo block and PI heads with stage 2 comp cams, forged rods and pistons. That's what I'm starting with.
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