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Old 08-11-2013, 10:43 AM   #1
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timing chain help

Hey everyone having trouble finding a diagram on a timing set for a 2004 gt with the sohc 4.6 I replaced everything and want to make sure the timing marks are correct. Don't Wana start her up and have it blow up this is what I have so far if this is right let me know if not help!!!!!!!
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Old 08-11-2013, 11:30 AM   #2
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Either go to the ford parts website and look up what you need or go to any ford dealership and ask for a diagram. I recommend getting it straight from ford because some other places might have the wrong information, rather be safe then sorry. Good luck.
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Old 08-11-2013, 11:42 AM   #3
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Ill pist one in a few fir you
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Sorry i was using my mobile app at my job. These are straight from alldata it shows the timing marks

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Old 08-11-2013, 01:22 PM   #5
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Sorry i was using my mobile app at my job. These are straight from alldata it shows the timing marks
Thank you that's what I needed what I am gona do it is
- put the chains on, line the black link on the crank gear and move the cam til its on the right gear to match up the link and that should be it because its on TDC
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Old 08-11-2013, 05:34 PM   #6
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Hey guys should the tensioners has a gasket on them because these are what mine look like the first one is the new one and the second is a side by side

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Old 08-11-2013, 06:54 PM   #7
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I dont think so it looks like a gasket since its been sittin on the block for so long but the tensioners shouldnt have any gasket at all
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Old 08-11-2013, 07:17 PM   #8
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Well the black one with a gasket in it is the old one and I'm just trying to convince myself no gasket on the fresh tensioner is right
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The black plastic tensioner is the newer design. The steel one is the older style and has a built in safety mechanism in case of oil pressure loss. The metal ones are the ones you want. Neither require a gasket they simply bolt to the block
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The black plastic tensioner is the newer design. The steel one is the older style and has a built in safety mechanism in case of oil pressure loss. The metal ones are the ones you want. Neither require a gasket they simply bolt to the block
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:04 AM   #11
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What the chance of one of these going bad. My pops replaced the head gasket on my 2000 gt and it has a small tick. Sounds like the chain is loose. My dad thinks the guild went bad?
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Guides would deff recommend replacing since the plastic ones love to break
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What exactly breaks. I have a new engine with 10,000 miles. Don't see how it could have broke, can they be installed improperly. And could they cause s misfire?
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The timing guide is plastic. It could break from wear and tear since the chain runs along it. If timing was incorrectly done could be off timing. Probably bending a valve which could lead to a misfire. The ticking you hear exactly from where is it coming from the motor or the timing cover?

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What exactly breaks. I have a new engine with 10,000 miles. Don't see how it could have broke, can they be installed improperly. And could they cause s misfire?
So what is it? A new motor with 10k or did your dad just replace the head gasket or head gaskets? Little more info to get the story straight to be able to help a bit more and how many miles on the motor
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We lined the gear and chain according to all data, it sounds like the sound is coming from the timing cover, but cylinder 2 is close to the cover so its had to pin point

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It's a new motor with 10k, (was brand new) then the heater core took a dump which over heated the engine. Warped both heads. Took them to a machine shop got I'm fixed, replaced the head gasket and put it back together
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Well cylinder 2 is after cylinder 1 on the passenger side. So its either cylinder 1 or 5 you may be referring to. In this case try to pinpoint the sound with a screwdriver or if u have the proper equipment a stethoscope to listen where its coming from. Then we can assess if its a valve tick, hydraulic lifter that needs lube or timing chain being slack. Putting all the timing marks on point is good however you have to adjust it a tad to a side where when the tensioner puts tension its going to pull the chains a tad. Let us know on the update of the noise location when u find its rough area location
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Yea I have the stescope thingy around here somewhere. I'm going to find exactly where it's coming from tomorrow I'll keep you posted
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Well i decided to go tinker with the car. It sounds like the tick is coming from the timing chain, its extremely faint, i can barly hear it. however i posted a video I just made starting it. its deffently mis fireing at start, but seems good after that. any ideas?

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Ok so good morning first off lol. My son had me awake at those times and then i fell asleep after he finally did. Ok i got to hear the start up. It does start with like a slight miss along with a hair bit prolonged cranking. It could be that there is possible slack in the chains hence the slight tapping. Also if it missing a little like that i would try to see if there is any cel as well that could lead to a vacuum leak or something. Have the car warm up and let it get to normal operating temps. Then turn it off and turn it on and see if it still does the slight miss then when everything is at normal temps. As well we could see if it only occurs at cold starts and see if a cel comes on.
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Can you make a video of your car at idle. I want to hear the miss. I have a miss and not sure what it is. I'm gonna hook it up to the scanner today and see what I can find. I'm gonna make a new thread so I don't hijack this.
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Here is a video of the ticking, I used the stethoscope attached to an iphone (worked quite well). I linked the two videos up so you hear where its pointing. Any ideas?

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Here is a video of the ticking, I used the stethoscope attached to an iphone (worked quite well). I linked the two videos up so you hear where its pointing. Any ideas?

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Dude that's bad
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dude, thats why I'm desperately trying to find help lol, and I was letting it idle in the driveway and the check engine light came back on. Im going to autozone soon to check the codes.
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