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Old 10-09-2013, 10:28 PM   #1
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3v in sn95?

anybody done it? any major problems? I can get a cheap 3v with under 50k miles with an ecu...it will go into a 98 gt with a 4r70
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You'll have to re-wire the entire car plus there will be other stuff. You'll spend WAY more money getting it in and running than you will just finding a good 2V or even a good 4V.
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Unless you can get engine wireing harness and other misc parts from a donor car
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anybody done it? any major problems? I can get a cheap 3v with under 50k miles with an ecu...it will go into a 98 gt with a 4r70
3V are junk IMO
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3V are junk IMO
Not at all just different. VVT is a really nice feature, the heads flow great, plenty of options in the aftermarket. If I had an 05-09 I would not think twice about building it up with some ported heads, a good tune, cams etc...

With that said if you have a SN95 I have no clue in hell why you would want to put a 3V in. You can do a nice stock 2V with cams and make more power than a stock 3V and blowers are cheaper too AND the aftermarket is bigger. Also why not just swap in a 4V vs a 3V if you have a SN95? Its a 90% drop in.
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Yeah I would go with the 4v
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So much bad info in this thread.

I know its old but I came across it while googling other swaps.

3v can drop in pretty easy, logan motorsports makes a kit, its been out for awhile. It not a common swap its not even a hard swap infact if you can swap a head on a 2v you can swap a 3v motor in. No need to rewire

Why? 3v mustangs had aluminum blocks, heads flow way better, power band is different, WAY cheaper then a 4v swap.
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You can swap a 4V for less than the cost of the Logan kit itself if you get one out of a Mark VIII. Not to mention the Teksid block in the Mark is a better block than the WAP/WAP variants. Flow numbers for the 3V are good but 4V is better and will stay better with any porting/work. And then you have the TFS heads for the 2V. I am not bashing the 3V but its not even close to cost effective to go 3V vs 4V or even building the 2V already in the car. But the 3V IS a great motor for the 05-10 that doesn't get enough credit and if you haven't heard a hot cammed 3V you need to.
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Finding a good 4v for the price of the Logan kit would be a feat. Putting one together would be fun too... I got lucky on mine c heads and a teksid for 150 (block needed work).... its possible but there are way more 3v motors vs c headed motors....

As for block strength ...both are strong enough to withstand a lot. Haven't seen a WAP failure

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Haven't heard of a WAP failure either but the Teksid is a better block. And agreed on the dearth of good 4v cores out there which is why I mentioned the TFS heads. Although the PI heads ported will put out over 700whp with a good power adder setup, the TFS are good for 900+. I always tell ppl to just go with what came in the car and if you want NA power you get a Fox or 94/95 with a 408 or a Coyote.

Like I said 2V should just build the 2V, 4V should build 4V and 3V should build 3V. Or... for the cost of building any of the above one can do the Coyote and be set. Which is one reason I have not built my Teksid in the garage yet. I keep pricing a built power adder 2V vs the Coyote and not sure its a good idea with more and more Coyote motors becoming available as ppl wreck them/part them out.
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Come to the 3v world..... everyone wants a coyote now..... together we can rule the galaxy!!!

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edited after actually thinking about what I'm saying lol: I've given a good hard look at the 05-09 cars but ppl still want too damn much for nice ones. With the Coyotes being more affordable now ppl need to realize their 3Vs are not really worth that much just like Mach owners find out when they go to sell.
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I wouldn't waste your time with a 3v. I was not impressed with my blown 3v when I had it. Back when I had my 2v I preferred it over my 3v. Out of all my mustangs up to my coyote, nothing irritated me more than the 3v.

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edited after actually thinking about what I'm saying lol: I've given a good hard look at the 05-09 cars but ppl still want too damn much for nice ones. With the Coyotes being more affordable now ppl need to realize their 3Vs are not really worth that much just like Mach owners find out when they go to sell.
We just talked about this the other day on the snive forums... .termi vs coyote thread.


Termi 20k and going up
Coyotes coming down found a decked out 13 for 25k under 50k miles and a brembo pack

S197s over priced! Lol people asking over 15k for a normal gt are dumb

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Ppl want KBB for their lower mile 08-09 and I saw someone wanting $20k for a 2010 recently lol. I don't care what KBB or whatever website you go to tells you your car is worth, your nice 3V is worth $15k max like you said and that's an 09 or 10 with low miles. A 2007 with like 80k on it is $10-$12k max.

03/04 Mach owners find the same thing out when they go to sell theirs for $18k or whatever. $18k and I'll put the extra $2-$3k for a Termi. A real nice Mach is a $14-$16k car MAYBE and that's only because its a numbered car and also that's to the right buyer. If I was looking at a Mach it would be because I wanted a 4V automatic that didn't cost $20k and also came in competition orange.
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Ppl want KBB for their lower mile 08-09 and I saw someone wanting $20k for a 2010 recently lol. I don't care what KBB or whatever website you go to tells you your car is worth, your nice 3V is worth $15k max like you said and that's an 09 or 10 with low miles. A 2007 with like 80k on it is $10-$12k max.

03/04 Mach owners find the same thing out when they go to sell theirs for $18k or whatever. $18k and I'll put the extra $2-$3k for a Termi. A real nice Mach is a $14-$16k car MAYBE and that's only because its a numbered car and also that's to the right buyer. If I was looking at a Mach it would be because I wanted a 4V automatic that didn't cost $20k and also came in competition orange.
Don't come to California then, all prices over here are inflated.
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Don't come to California then, all prices over here are inflated.
That's what automobile shipping companies are for. Or a plane ticket out and gas/hotels back. I see what cars go for in Cali and I laugh.
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California cars are, largely, rust free... That's why they demand a higher price in the used automobile market.
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So are Florida cars and some cars in other southern states which are all a day or two drive away. Or like I said just ship.
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California cars are, largely, rust free... That's why they demand a higher price in the used automobile market.
Popular misconception that every state except California will provide rusty vehicles.....

Its just typical California inflated market prices.

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I guy I worked with picked up an 03 CO Termi in San Diego with about 60k on the clock from a private seller. He "said" he paid $18k for it, I've never had a reason to question his integrity but take it for what is worth.

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I guy I worked with picked up an 03 CO Termi in San Diego with about 60k on the clock from a private seller. He "said" he paid $18k for it, I've never had a reason to question his integrity but take it for what is worth.

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There are good deals out there. I don't doubt that he got it for that price.
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Popular misconception that every state except California will provide rusty vehicles.....

Its just typical California inflated market prices.

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Yea but the weather of California and a few other states do give it a far less chance of having rust.
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There are good deals out there. I don't doubt that he got it for that price.
Yeah, that's why I say take it for what it's worth. People always under cut what they actually paid.

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V8 mustangs just seem to be overinflated at the moment.

I was looking in the winter at all ranges.. It was pretty dumb what they wanted. The general ranges are for a 05-09 GT with under 80k they wanted 13-16k... 15k or a Mach with under 100k... 8-10k for a 99-04 GT with under 100k.. 17-20k for 2010 GT an I never searched for coyotes. About 16-20k for the 11-12 v6's BASE though.
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