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Old 10-28-2013, 04:29 PM   #1
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Forged rotating assembly.

Know the 2v rods are the weak point but is upgrading anything necessary. If so what?
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I'd do pistons while I was in there and if you plan on over 600 hp id do crank too.
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My plan is just a rebuild so while in there, get forged. And cams, then after a while procharger.

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And power wise, just be able to turn it up if i want. So streetable then power.
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May as well do the job right
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I didn't know what else needed forged so looks like rods pistons, stock crank is good for 600 right?
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I didn't know what else needed forged so looks like rods pistons, stock crank is good for 600 right?
Yeah, it's probably ok for what you want to do.
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Thought so. I was looking on MMR and their kit crank pistons and rods $1499 but i wont need the crank so that should take a good bit off. Then cams, and piece together a procharge kit. For the cams what would be a good set to go with stage wise, and the stock heads okay for 450-550 hp?
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Thought so. I was looking on MMR and their kit crank pistons and rods $1499 but i wont need the crank so that should take a good bit off. Then cams, and piece together a procharge kit. For the cams what would be a good set to go with stage wise, and the stock heads okay for 450-550 hp?
This is where it gets tricky, me giving advice on an engine build that is.
If it was me, I would build a dedicated supercharger engine if I wanted to use a blower. One with the correct compression ratio and cams. That long block wouldn't make a very good NA engine.
Same thing goes for a NA engine that I would build... It wouldn't be a good platform for supercharging.
Plenty of guys bolt superchargers on our 9.5-1 cr engines though. It's just not the route I would go personally. Im sure some of the other guys will chime in on some good cams that will work NA and FI.
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I could skip cams. Would just internals and slap on a sc. I just want to make good power with little boost
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I could skip cams. Would just internals and slap on a sc. I just want to make good power with little boost
But cams sound amazing
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I could skip cams. Would just internals and slap on a sc. I just want to make good power with little boost
I think that would work great actually. If I remember correctly the stock cams are adequate for the setup that you're after.

Like SL4 said though... Cams do sound amazing.
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That's why I want cd. But if they hurt performance then I don't want them. Or if they're not worth it then I'd skip
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You can probably get the power that you want without them and just keep it simple...
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Keep it simple stupid. Lol. Well I mean $600 to do it. I'll think more on down the road. I'll need rods pistons procharger gears clutch and maybe flywheel.
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$600 will get you a good set of pistons. That's it.
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I was meaning $600 for cams. Not the rotating assembly.
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That's just for the cams new. Forget about the TFS gears, possibly new tensioners, maybe having to pay for degree service and the custom tune. Although you're going to have to get a tune anyway.
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I will probably skip cams just because if the price and tuning
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I will probably skip cams just because if the price and tuning
You could get some regrind cams for about $450 from Ortiz, and then put them in right before the SC and get one dyno tune.
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Yeah but with boost I wouldn't need cams. So it'd be just for sound.
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Yeah but with boost I wouldn't need cams. So it'd be just for sound.
Uhm yeah you do need cams , cams aren't for sound obviously
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Uhm yeah you do need cams , cams aren't for sound obviously
Naw. The stock cams will work for the power level that he's after.
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Yeah but with boost I wouldn't need cams. So it'd be just for sound.
Exactly
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Honestly if you are after 400hp leave the stock bottom end alone. If you are after 600hp you will need cams, rods, pistons, cast crank is good to more than 600hp if staying below 6500 rpm. Also will need fuel, power adder, suspension, tires etc... this is not something you do on a budget. I mean "budget" is a relative term but to get to a reliable 600hp you're going to need upwards of $10k.

Cheapest way there would be:

-Stock block cleaned up or taken out .010 or .020
-Stock cast crank or spend a little money and get an OEM Cobra crank (I got one for free)
-2012 Boss rods
-$500 MMR/DSS forged pistons
-Ported PI heads with new springs etc...
-Stock PI intake
-Used comp 270s
-Stock trans should be ok until 500hp. If you need a rebuild its
$1k for parts and $2k total if a shop like Hanlon is doing it. If your 3650 is good you can get away with a 26 spline input shaft swap and roll.
-Centerforce clutch
-Build the rear end
-Control arms, coilovers, springs/bushings etc...
-Wheels/tires
-Vortech S trim pieced together from superchargersonline and a used headunit
-Double or triple pump setup with injectors and new rails
-Dyno tune
-Lots of nickel/dime stuff etc...

I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff.

Like I said for a 400hp street car its very easy to just do the fuel system, slap on a blower, tune it and roll. 400whp in a well setup street car is nothing to sneeze at.
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Good stuff. I would rather get forged while I'm in there so I don't have to go through this more than once. I'll look for the cobra crank which one termi? Will the stock pi heads work? Without porting what can they handle? And fuel system is where I need help and what to get for it.
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PI heads should be ported if you are looking to go much past what the stock shortblock can take. Any Cobra crank is forged, mine is out of a 98. Manual Mach 1s also have forged cranks.

What exactly are your goals with this thing?
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Number wise I'm not sure. I would want to be able to turn it up and murk people. But realistically if be happy with 400 so really I would just forge it and leave heads alone. If I want more after that then I'll get the heads ported or trick flows. And get fuel system. Tranny I'll get tob replaced soon flywheel what stage clutch 2 or 3. Rear end good for how much power.
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