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Old 11-12-2013, 08:36 AM   #1
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stage 2 cams

I was think of getting some stage 2 cams what all will I have to do if anything to the motor?
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All the components that come with the cams usually and a tune at least. And install kit if you plan on yourself. Which if you dont know how to degree them I wouldnt DIY.
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Whose "stage 2" cams, there are many manufacturers. Most of the time its Comp 270 cams people are talking about but at the very least you will need new valve springs and a dyno tune. You also may run into PTV issues with the stock valve reliefs. Cushman makes a really good modular cam, I'd talk to them.

Oh, you'll also need the TFS adjustable cam gears and you'll need to degree the cams or have a degree service done on them. There is no "dot to dot" and go like in the pushrod world. And even with a pushrod cam you should always degree the thing.
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I'm not sure which kind of cams yet I just wasn't sure all in all how much I'd have to throw down.
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Cams are $550 or so by themselves. Then add the other stuff and a $600 dyno tune.
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So basically it's not worth the power gain. $1200 after everything and like a 30hp gain. You would be better off going the sc or tc route or even nitrous. If you want more power.
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Now if you buy your cams used for half price like some Hitech Stage 2s for $300 and then do the install and tuning yourself... then its worth it but you have to be good with a tuner (an actual tuner not a canned tuner) and know how to degree them properly.
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Now if you buy your cams used for half price like some Hitech Stage 2s for $300 and then do the install and tuning yourself... then its worth it but you have to be good with a tuner (an actual tuner not a canned tuner) and know how to degree them properly.
Now I feel dumb for not going with the $300 cams I was gonna get. N around here it's like $200 for a dyno tune. I just got my gears instead

Also i don't think it's a 30hp gain I think it's up to 60 depending which ones you get
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I was using the numbers that you posted
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There's no numbers in this thread lol
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Now I feel dumb for not going with the $300 cams I was gonna get. N around here it's like $200 for a dyno tune. I just got my gears instead Also i don't think it's a 30hp gain I think it's up to 60 depending which ones you get
You're not getting 60 gain on anything on a NA 4.6 with just cams. If the 4.6 had FI and then you did cams you might see 60... You're looking at probably 20-30 in reality. Might get a little more but not much.
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You're not getting 60 gain on anything on a NA 4.6 with just cams. If the 4.6 had FI and then you did cams you might see 60... You're looking at probably 20-30 in reality. Might get a little more but not much.
really? I thought blower cams while n/a were supposed to give you pretty good gains up top lol
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Money estimates. Are numbers.
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really? I thought blower cams while n/a were supposed to give you pretty good gains up top lol
You'll definitely feel it. But the dyno won't reflect it that much. That's just how it is.

But when you have better cams and go FI.. That's a whole different story. You'll see great gains.
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Ok what exactly is the difference between stock, stage 1, stage 2, etc camshafts? I read around a little and it just says "more aggressive" or something. Does this mean it opens the valves further or for a longer time? Are they made of a better material? I really cant seem to find much information on them online.
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Ok what exactly is the difference between stock, stage 1, stage 2, etc camshafts? I read around a little and it just says "more aggressive" or something. Does this mean it opens the valves further or for a longer time? Are they made of a better material? I really cant seem to find much information on them online.
Bailed it. Cam lift and duration is different.
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Ok what exactly is the difference between stock, stage 1, stage 2, etc camshafts? I read around a little and it just says "more aggressive" or something. Does this mean it opens the valves further or for a longer time? Are they made of a better material? I really cant seem to find much information on them online.
An older article on Comp Cams (circa 2004), but they compare/chart/explain it all rather well

https://www.dssracing.com/v/vspfiles...cam-motion.pdf
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you don't by any chance have a link to a great explanation on how dyno's work and how cars are tuned with them do you?
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you don't by any chance have a link to a great explanation on how dyno's work and how cars are tuned with them do you?
No, but i did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last nite...

How a dyno works

Tech Article: Don't Fear the Dyno - Fall in Love With Dyno Tuning in 9 Easy Steps

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Let me google that for you
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I will be getting cams for my mustang this winter, I'm really interested in the hi tech stage 2 n/a cams. Any opinions out there on these?
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I will be getting cams for my mustang this winter, I'm really interested in the hi tech stage 2 n/a cams. Any opinions out there on these?
Biggest cams you can get in a stock longblock. Good for power across the board. IMO you should do the valve springs with any "stage 2" cam.
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Biggest cams you can get in a stock longblock. Good for power across the board. IMO you should do the valve springs with any "stage 2" cam.
even if they say it won't be needed? Also camshaft gears?
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TFS camshaft gears should be used. I would say do valve springs even if it says "not needed". If I can figure out this tuning deal with my QH so I don't have to drop the $600 on a tune I MIGHT do cams but only if I can find a good set of stage 1 cams used and I would only not do the springs because my heads/springs only have 6k miles on them.

For a stage 2 cam I definitely would even with my low mileage stock springs.
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