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Old 12-01-2013, 06:38 PM   #1
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Shorty vs lt headers

Hey guys i am debating is it worth buying long tubes vs the shorty headers since I would have to change my mid bassani o/r pipe.
Shorty headers seam a bit cheaper so I am wondering if lt are that much more in hp
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Not worth it unless your stock manifolds are damaged. The stockers have been proven to withstand the 550-600hp range. Best to spend that money elsewhere imo unless you're making big power.
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I've heard ceramic shorty headers are worthy upgrades though ^ From my uncle who has built several Ford engines.
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I mean yeah they're better than the stockers but the stockers work just fine and aren't very restrictive. So free or slightly better and pretty for $400? If you do headers do some longtubes. They sound and perform better. Just the occasional clearance issues as well as having to take them off to get to your clutch are often annoyances.
Id just change the mid and cb which is what I did. And I also have the bassani
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I was told ceramic headers also keep engine temperatures down as well. I'm not quite sure the gains on it but thought I'd mention it.

Longtubes require deleting the cats and not everyone is willing to do that.
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They do keep temps down. And you can still get a catted shorty midpipe with longtubes.
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They do keep temps down. And you can still get a catted shorty midpipe with longtubes.
Really? I was completely unaware. Could you possibly link me to a "catted shorty mid-pipe" please? Just for an example, I've never seen one before.
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http://www.americanmuscle.com/9904-m...rty-xpipe.html
There's a few.
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Do not even bother with shorties lt or gtfh
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How we'll does the exaust heat wrap work?
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Yeah, i'd say skip shorties. Only thing keeping me away from LT's right now are clearance issues, and the fact you need to remove one to change the clutch. Other than that, they sound nice and give a decent boost in power. I say go Long tubes.
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Go LTs then sell me your Bassani midpipe
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Old 12-03-2013, 05:46 PM   #13
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I got LTs, and I can attest to the PITA to pull the tranny, but there are ways around it.

Don't even get me started on the bend-over-and-get-ready-to-be-penetrated time it takes to install them.......

That all being said, I'm glad I got them, and would recommend them over LT's if you must choose between the two.
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Haha you recommend longtubes instead of longtubes??
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How we'll does the exaust heat wrap work?
works good, I've had it on my Legend Car before and made it easier to work around headers and not get burnt, don't know if it would be worth it putting it on a the mustang though
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Haha you recommend longtubes instead of longtubes??
Lmao theres only one kind worth mentioning........

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works good, I've had it on my Legend Car before and made it easier to work around headers and not get burnt, don't know if it would be worth it putting it on a the mustang though
Some LT brands suggest you don't use any wrap. So double check the ones you get before you decide to wrap them
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Do not even bother with shorties lt or gtfh
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Yeah, i'd say skip shorties. Only thing keeping me away from LT's right now are clearance issues, and the fact you need to remove one to change the clutch. Other than that, they sound nice and give a decent boost in power. I say go Long tubes.
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Lmao theres only one kind worth mentioning........
and this.

Shorty's are the quick-n-easy way, and realistically offer nothing tangible over stock. LT's offer an improved performance gain, as well as a better exhaust note, but the $$-per-hp gain is one of the worst 'mods' to be done. By yourself, bank on a full day if not a weekend. Shop install, "prepare thy anus" as scotty would say (wise man lol), and expect about 6-10hrs of shop-labor-rates due to the extended nature of the install.

Another thing w/ LTs is you'll need to match the midpipe (aka same manufacturer...BBK, ARH, MAC (my chosen one lol) just to name a few) so there's no fitment issues.

Although, all things being equal, I have yet to traverse this particular path. One day, grasshopper, one day...

Lastly, I'm likely drunk, or at the very least "highly squiffy" so if I dont make sense....
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Yeah make sure its the same manufacturer for both LT's and mid pipe. I've got Mac, and even then I had to stretch the mid pipe just a hair to fit right.
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Great info thanks guys

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I see most people go with h pipes when using lt, I like the sound of the x pipes specially my bassani. Is there a difference in sound from Mac to bbk setup in lt?
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The Mac mid pipe i have is a prochamber. But I'd recommend checking out different setups on YouTube or the manufacturers webistes and see any sound clips, and pick what you like.
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The Mac mid pipe i have is a prochamber. But I'd recommend checking out different setups on YouTube or the manufacturers webistes and see any sound clips, and pick what you like.
I also found the prochamber to be a most excellent provider of a deep growly tone. Utoob vids dont do them justice, heard one in the flesh and the sound of aural sex was sublime.

I think cliffy mentioned in his best mods sticky about the differences between x- and h- pipes. X sounds like nascar, H more like the 'classic' muscle car. Can't be assed to look it up lol going by memory.
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I think you hit the nail on the head. I get compliments on how good it sounds just about anytime I stop to get gas. I've got a pair of stingers I'd like to put on too....
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Well you'll get another compliment from me, cuz me likey
Dunno if im going Flow 44s to complete the setup or not, have 40's on now and i dont mind at all....
MAN i can't wait to spend real money on this setup lol
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Well you'll get another compliment from me, cuz me likey
Dunno if im going Flow 44s to complete the setup or not, have 40's on now and i dont mind at all....
MAN i can't wait to spend real money on this setup lol
Lol thanks! I've got 40's on there now, and I've had them on there since, well heck I think that was the first thing I did! But I think the Stingers would give it alittle more clarity instead of that drone sound. Not that I'm complaining. .....lol
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I have a prochamber with 44s and have a video. Sounds nothing like the video honestly, it is so much louder and deeper, and has much more tone. I'm looking to get something more aggressive in a while though.
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Longtubes - last "bolt on" you should do seeing as the stock manifolds are not restrictive and they are such a pain in the taint to do. If you are doing the K member then that would be prime time to do them.

Shorties - Only get if your state doesn't allow longtubes and your stock manifolds are shot. Also ONLY get the FRPP ones. Don't bother with the aftermarket here.

Ceramic - Yes it does bring temps down but on a street car its not really a huge deal. Getting a true cold air intake or, better yet, one that relocates the MAF into the fender will cool down your air charge enough and running 180 degrees with a good tune/cooling setup is no issue even in 100 degree weather.

Header wrap - I'd stay away personally. Any sort of corrosion under the wrap is just accelerated and moisture can't evaporate off the metal. MANY people who use header wrap find their exhaust rusted to hell when they unwrap it.

Then you have the longtube brands... here is where you probably want to go Kooks which is crazy that LTs are $1k but you get what you pay for.

**As far as transmission removal** Some people have been able to get the T-45 and 3650 out with both longtubes in depending on brand but it takes some maneuvering which means you need to basically hold it up and twist around a big heavy chunk of metal over your head... no... Solution to this is to use a T-5 (yes you can use a T-5 in a modular with a quicktime bell), a T-56 OR modify your T-45/3650 with the bellhousing plate which gets rid of the integrated bell and allows you to use a QT bell.
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So how bad is the clearance issue? My pony is lowered and I'm putting on some long tubes soon. What can I expect?
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My Prochamber will scrape on big speed bumps or tables, but not enough to cause damage. And I'm lowered too. If I take it at angle, I'm usually good.
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My Prochamber will scrape on big speed bumps or tables, but not enough to cause damage. And I'm lowered too. If I take it at angle, I'm usually good.
+1 I rarely scrape but when I do that's what it is.
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Well if any of y'all are from the Dallas area and drive on the George Bush Turnpike then y'all know about all the dips. I wonder if I would scrape.
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I had MAC LTs on my Cobra and that whole exhaust system was no lower than the stock system. Those longtubes tucked right up against the floorboards. Also might be a good time to do the motor/trans mounts since if they are shot the whole drivetrain is going to be sitting lower/off angle.
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Great info thanks guys

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I see most people go with h pipes when using lt, I like the sound of the x pipes specially my bassani. Is there a difference in sound from Mac to bbk setup in lt?
I love my bassani mufflers and X-pipe too. I just got long tubes put on. Haven't heard them yet though. I'm also running catless.


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