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Old 03-09-2014, 11:18 PM   #1
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Im supercharging an i need help

Hey guys I have a 98 4.6l 5 speed. Its all stock right now besides exhaust work cold air intake and a pro 5 shifter. I'm going to supercharge it and build it but one of the main things that I'm wondering about is should I get a belt driven one or the turbo charged one? I'm wanting around 500 Hp. What's the most efficient way to get the best out of my car and what would be the best way to build it?
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Hey guys I have a 98 4.6l 5 speed. Its all stock right now besides exhaust work cold air intake and a pro 5 shifter. I'm going to supercharge it and build it but one of the main things that I'm wondering about is should I get a belt driven one or the turbo charged one? I'm wanting around 500 Hp. What's the most efficient way to get the best out of my car and what would be the best way to build it?
It's a 2v
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If you are looking for 500 RWHP, It can be done but it's gonna take a LOT of work and a LOT of money full motor build.
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I figured it would, if you don't mind me asking where would you start
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A Lil info i just found
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500+ rwhp 2V cars are becoming commonplace now and are popping up everywhere. It's not a hard thing to accomplish as many would have you believe. A built shortblock, custom cams, exhaust and 15 psi from a blower will get you 500 rwhp from a good tuner with a 2V. Headwork is absolutely not necessary to make 500 rwhp.
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Would I need to fordge all the internals and everything. I hate been new on this site lol
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Would I need to fordge all the internals and everything. I hate been new on this site lol
Yes you would
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Where I have a stock gear as well is the 4.10 decent gas wise I've heard different things about it
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Where I have a stock gear as well is the 4.10 decent gas wise I've heard different things about it

If you want 500whp then stick with stock gearing.
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Is the gearing in a 98 a 273 or a 293?
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Research dude... first thing you want to do is a PI swap since you are a 98, then you will want to get the rest of the car ready handle the 400-425 safe rwhp that the stock internals can take. This would include suspension/chassis stiffening/wheels/tires etc... Then the supercharger and factor in the price of that plus another $600 for a custom burnt tune.

You will also want to perform a compression and leakdown check on your current shortblock if the miles are higher to make sure you are good in that dept.

I'm not trying to be discouraging, I'm just letting you know what you are in for. If you want 500+whp you are looking at a full motor build with forged internals. Also the 96-98 T45 transmissions are the non-updated ones so if the miles are higher on that you might consider a rebuild on that too.

And everything I listed can be google searched with a metrich ****ton of results and how-tos.
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hey this is chris that went on the ride with u. the white 97. as far as jumping right in to 500 hp the easiest way to start is to find a 03 to 04 terminator motor thats factory 390 and already supercharged. theres 1 on craigslist for 1500. already forged. if your like me and on a budget to start slow your first step is going to be a tuner. thats a must and adds horsepwoer and helps saves on gas. $379 with free tunes for life on american muscle and theres guys on here with a promo code that cuts off 6% or more. i suggest the tuner first and for most
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a stock gear is a 3.27 in our cars. before i changed the gearing i would put a small stall comverter in like a 2800
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scotty is right and very up on his stuff. ive have read and followed alot of his posts. my advice is start slow and if u need anything help advice or just to get together were just 20 mins apart
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lol. the stall wouldnt help in a 5 speed would it scotty. just saw that in the original post
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Thanks Chris and when I start buying parts for the car, I probably will need help lol. We hand a great cruise the other day. We need to hang out sometime and where at on craigslist did you find that motor, it be wicked to see one of them built in my ride
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i did to and was tickled to death to see another sn95 there...it was posted in knoxville. i think i typed in cobra and it brought it up. the pi swap tuner and bolt ons will give us about 350 and no major work if it goes well and not that bad on the pocket. if u do it like i am pull a part is a good friend to have
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He says hes a 5 speed so no stall converter. Although if it is an auto and a 98 at least the 98 auto is an updated 4R.

Honestly... From experience and if the car is your DD I would NOT supercharge unless you have a spare vehicle or have done it before.

With all that said, a 280-300whp 2V with a nice suspension/tire setup and steeper gears is a 12 second car easy and will be a ton of fun to drive. People get it in their heads that you need a ton of power to go fast. I mean yeah to a point but you'd be surprised what a lower power car with the right setup can do.
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Scotty: if I put around 2500-5000$ into my car as it is would I be shocked with what I will be getting with out of my car?
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A stock NPI vs a PI swap with suspension/sticky tires/bolt ons/tune? I'd say you will be very pleased yes. My old 2003 Mazda 6 sedan was a better performer than a stock NPI car lol.
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When I do a pi swap with a set up and everything, do you think that I have decent whp
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A PI swapped 2V with bolt ons is going to be making in the 260rwhp range. Might not sound like a lot but that power with the right combo is a 12 second car. If you are looking for faster then yes you will need a power adder but there are a lot of other things you should do before you supercharge and $5k won't do all of it plus the supercharger.

You should be doing with a stock NPI 2V:

-PI swap
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-Wheels/tires
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-Subframes
-Lower control arms

At this point you should be looking into a supercharger. I say this because if you just supercharge a stock vehicle without at least a good suspension setup you will just spin the tires and not go anywhere. Great for highway pulls but a bolt on car will rape you from a stoplight.
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we can do the pi swap in my garage if u have something else to drive for a day or 2...ive got all but the pi heads and the suspension on scottys list and just that alone will supprise u and its fun when u put a part on and the black marks get longer...lol
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i would add a tuner to his list and make that first because with the cold air and a tune you will yell a big difference
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Beware of canned tunes especially if you don't have a wideband.
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If you can put 5k into your car you would be very pleased without a SC.

Pi swap $300-$500

Full suspension (and I mean full) for 1500-2000 that's if you upgrade everything.

Gears (150+500 install)

Tuner with life tunes $400

The list can keep going.
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Full suspension is going to be more like $3k-$5k alone for a MM front K/coilover kit, torque arm, panhard bar, control arms and coilovers out back and all the other stuff. Look at the price of the maximum grip box. Or if you get a IRS its about $1k for a good 03/04 Cobra rear and another $700 for the FTBR kit instead of the torque arm/panhard setup.

With that said, for a street car you really just need a good set of shocks/struts/cc plates/springs and delrin bushings throughout and you should be pretty well off all things considered.
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Ah- I was fully ready to chime in on this because I just went balls deep in a build and s/c'ed my '02 GT... But Scotty seems to have most everything covered. Rule of thumb with proper car building is either build the WHOLE car at once, or start from the back and work your way forward. By that I mean your rear end(diff/axles although a stock GT 8.8 should handle more power than you'll probably make), tires, driveshaft, exhaust, chassis stiffening, all suspension. Then up to the transmission rebuild( since it'll be out and you might wanna swap out the input shaft to a heavier duty one like I'm going from stock 10 spline to a 26 spline), clutch, look at upgrading brakes and maybe going to SS brake lines.... And we aren't even touching the engine bay yet still.


But then again you might not wanna listen to me. My build has taken me nearly a year and a half of work and although I'm going to be between 500-600rwhp/tq it's going to be built to handle a good 200-300rwhp/tq more than that... Oh, and I'm running 4.10 gears. So i generally don't go by what people say with all their worrying about gearing and bullcrap. I do what I want!
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Thanks for all the tips guys its helping me and I wish I could post a picture of my car on here to let you guys see it its almost like yours scotty
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