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Old 03-29-2014, 08:26 PM   #36
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You're going to have to check all that when you get a chance!

What would that be causing?
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What would that be causing?
Most of the symptoms that you described. For instance, if your plugs are bad it will cause the engine to run rich and just... BAD!
These cars need to be running correctly for a tuner to make any difference at all.
A tune up should be the first "mod" that these cars receive.

Have you checked the coolant yet?
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I just found out that a bad sensor will make the ECU back down timing to prevent detonation. Which would totally make a tune useless...

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Most of the symptoms that you described. For instance, if your plugs are bad it will cause the engine to run rich and just... BAD!
These cars need to be running correctly for a tuner to make any difference at all.
A tune up should be the first "mod" that these cars receive.

Have you checked the coolant yet?
Ok just went out and checked.. holy **** it's low

it has about an inch of fluid in the countainer that I took the lid off of. It says add coolant near the top of the container... soooooo low. My car isn't having temperature issues. This is really bad isn't it?

The fluid is a rusty brownish orange color also...
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Way to check for blown head gasket. **While engine is cold** Remove radiator cap, start engine, use a flashlight and if there's air bubbles like crazy.... **blown head gasket**

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Way to check for blown head gasket. **While engine is cold** Remove radiator cap, start engine, use a flashlight and if there's air bubbles like crazy.... **blown head gasket**

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how is it running and still performing with a blown head gasket? I honestly am sorta afraid to do that cuz I don't want to know the truth

Could this be the contributor of why my car has trouble starting up also?
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LOL... Lets hope you dont. As long as you keep putting water in a car with a blown head gasket... they run untill the gasket REALLY blows out. I drove around with one for a year. ran great too!! I put a garden hose in the radiator and the water shot out the tail pipe the same flow :O it was funny but it wasnt.
But if you have a blown head gasket... Time to swap in a 4.6
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LOL... Lets hope you dont. As long as you keep putting water in a car with a blown head gasket... they run untill the gasket REALLY blows out. I drove around with one for a year. ran great too!! I put a garden hose in the radiator and the water shot out the tail pipe the same flow :O it was funny but it wasnt.
But if you have a blown head gasket... Time to swap in a 4.6
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I was thinking a 4v lol. I have a 2v, I've had this car for about 2-3 months. My v6 had zero problems and I sold it at 150.. this one at 117k has a blown gasket. Figures.
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Just dont ever put stop leak additives in your coolant system. or your heater will never work again. Or.... poor stop leak in there (black pepper works great too) and SELL.....
(hopefully the person you bought it from didnt do that to you). ya never know til you figure it out though)

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Just dont ever put stop leak additives in your coolant system. or your heater will never work again. Or.... poor stop leak in there (black pepper works great too) and SELL.....
(hopefully the person you bought it from didnt do that to you). ya never know til you figure it out though)

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Bought it from private dealship... think it's too late to call it a lemon?
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Just dont ever put stop leak additives in your coolant system. or your heater will never work again. Or.... poor stop leak in there (black pepper works great too) and SELL.....
(hopefully the person you bought it from didnt do that to you). ya never know til you figure it out though)

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Really good news, no bubbles. I even got her to barely press the gas and still no bubbles. I could see where the fluid is being sucked from, and it actually got below the tube hole for a split second then filled back up barely above the hole.

Why is it low and rusty looking then?
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Bought it from private dealship... think it's too late to call it a lemon?
Probably, but you can check. Some states require dealerships to warranty their cars for a certain amount of time.
This isn't the end of the world IF it actually is a blown headgasket.
The first thing to do is top off the radiator to the full line and start checking it EVERYDAY and noting how much coolant its losing. This will be your indicator of the severity of the problem.
Just drive the car like a normal human being until you figure this out... No more throwing revs in front of your girlfriend for a while.
Like Mos said, they'll run for a good while if you don't abuse it.
Top it off with coolant or DISTILLED WATER ONLY and report back how much that it uses tomorrow...
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Probably, but you can check. Some states require dealerships to warranty their cars for a certain amount of time.
This isn't the end of the world IF it actually is a blown headgasket.
The first thing to do is top off the radiator to the full line and start checking it EVERYDAY and noting how much coolant its losing. This will be your indicator of the severity of the problem.
Just drive the car like a normal human being until you figure this out... No more throwing revs in front of your girlfriend for a while.
Like Mos said, they'll run for a good while if you don't abuse it.
Top it off with coolant or DISTILLED WATER ONLY and report back how much that it uses tomorrow...
Alright I'll take it easy and drive like a grandma.. I normally don't lay on it too much anyways because it makes me cringe hearing the detonation. Texas has lemon laws... I mean it is 11 years old so this could have just evaporated right? I will keep an eye on it... but nothing really will change right? It seems the only thing that coolant being low would do is make temp problems.. which I don't have.
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Well, the coolant is rusty so we know it hasn't been changed for a while.
Let's see how much it's using, if any, before jumping to conclusions.
I will say, though, all of the symptoms are pointing to a leaking head gasket.

Probably, nothing will change... unless the coolant was so low that the engine was running slightly hot.
You'll have a better idea whats going on after keeping an eye on it for a bit.
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Well, the coolant is rusty so we know it hasn't been changed for a while.
Let's see how much it's using, if any, before jumping to conclusions.
I will say, though, all of the symptoms are pointing to a leaking head gasket.

Probably, nothing will change... unless the coolant was so low that the engine was running slightly hot.
You'll have a better idea whats going on after keeping an eye on it for a bit.
Do you know how much rebuilds are? I'm guessing it's prolly cheaper to put in a 4.6 with like 50k miles on it. Not sure though. Looking at worst case possible.. Hopefully it's not but I wouldn't be surprised with my luck.
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Naw, youll be alright. It's a hell of a lot easier to do head gaskets than to replace the engine.
I'm not sure about the prices, but these engines are dime-a-dozen if you have to find a used one.
If you did gaskets and a timing chain set, it'd probably go another 100k with no problems.
I just did all of the gaskets on my truck engine that has 380k miles on it... The damn thing runs like it's brand new!

Just hope for the best, and, we still won't jump to any conclusions.
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Naw, youll be alright. It's a hell of a lot easier to do head gaskets than to replace the engine.

I'm not sure about the prices, but these engines are dime-a-dozen if you have to find a used one.

If you did gaskets and a timing chain set, it'd probably go another 100k with no problems.

I just did all of the gaskets on my truck engine that has 380k miles on it... The damn thing runs like it's brand new!



Just hope for the best, and, we still won't jump to any conclusions.

As soon as I find time I think I'm going to go to a mechanic and get them to do a leakdown test. That will show the problems right? Can I fill up the whole thing with distiller water or do I need to put in coolant also?

Is this maybe why my fan comes on so much without the ac on?

I will wait on running seafoam through the vacuum lines then. I was going to do it to stop detonation but who knows if that's even what it is :\
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head gasket job is gravy But you dont know if thats what it is yet. Good luck. Ill be checkin back.

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head gasket job is gravy But you dont know if thats what it is yet. Good luck. Ill be checkin back.

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Gravy as in not 2k?

What do you think about running seafoam through it still to try and get rid of the detonation.
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how do you know its detonating? what are the symptoms?

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IMO first things first. plug it in and find the codes. buy a scanner for under $100.. unless your mechanic or soneone you trust will do it for free.

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Figure out what the problem really is (if any) then we'll all point you in the right direction.
No way do you want to dump thousands into a repair. one side, head gasket repair- $600 tops.. from the right experienced person. $200 or much less in parts to do it yourself

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Don't do the seafoam yet. Lets find out if the heads need to be removed first.
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I hope you fix it yourself. Peice O cake. You have plenty of help here Save your $$$ too.. Then you'll alwayz know every problem and you can help the next Stanger out...

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how do you know its detonating? what are the symptoms?

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I am not 100% it's detonation, but Roguestang and I came to the conclusion that it's detonation (99.999%?)

It's the marbles in a can thing that people complain about... Even when using 93 octane. It only happens when you put load on the engine and it's really bad when there's load on it with low rpm's.

The only code I ever had was P1450. It's been goin on and off since I've gotten the car.
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That code says your fuel filler neck needs replacing. Or did you ever replace the gas tank grommet our cars always need replacing? Also EVR/EGR cannister something or the other...

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That code says your fuel filler neck needs replacing. Or did you ever replace the gas tank grommet our cars always need replacing? Also EVR/EGR cannister something or the other...

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Filler neck seems fine. I don't know what a gas tank grommet is lol. I catch on to some things but don't have tons of knowledge on cars.
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I had that on my 96GT 4.6. Turned out to be a bad Timing Chain tensioner. Not enough oil will make that noise to if the engine components arent pumping up from low oil.

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I had that on my 96GT 4.6. Turned out to be a bad Timing Chain tensioner. Not enough oil will make that noise to if the engine components arent pumping up from low oil.

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Checked my oil today... Seems low and smelled burnt. I thought the dealer swapped it but guess not
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Filler neck seems fine. I don't know what a gas tank grommet is lol. I catch on to some things but don't have tons of knowledge on cars.
If your fuel rank grommet is bad. When you have 3/4 or more full tank of gas, when you make a left turn, it'll smell like gas real bad around the passenger side of gas tank.

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Change your oil and filter asap. Pour 5.5 quarts (five and one half) in the engine of 5w20. Drive a couple miles. Check the level on the dipstick. Always keep that much oil in the engine where the fill mark is on the dipstick. Tin can rattle should go away.

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Change your oil and filter asap. Pour 5.5 quarts (five and one half) in the engine of 5w20. Drive a couple miles. Check the level on the dipstick. Always keep that much oil in the engine where the fill mark is on the dipstick. Tin can rattle should go away.

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If I wanted to change my own oil I'd have to wait a full week. I didn't like the way it looked though so im going to get it done tomorrow. That would be amazing if that got rid of it... But I'm doubting it and expecting the worst
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Well.. Do all the little stuff first. Properly cleaned MAF sensor. Air Charge Sensor. Clean throttle body. Air Cleaner. IAC... Inspect your PCV valve and pull the hose at the other end where it goes in your intake. Check if its dumping oil in there. Swab the inside of the inlet hole and/or hose to see how much oil is being sucked in the intake. Common maintanence checks to keep our caes running like brand new

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Another way to see if you have to replace the fuel rubber thingy.
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Hopefully it doesnt get that bad. LOL.. Mine was . Some idiot put BONDO around it. What a b***h to scrape off. Not damaging the grommet groove on the gas tank. Gas tank must be dropped to replace that $19 grommet...

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