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Old 05-14-2014, 02:31 AM   #1
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Hi, I need to get better traction. I have 275/40/17 right now but they don't hold to the ground at all. What you guys think about this control arm? My friend selling them for $125 brand new what do you guys think?

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Definitely an improvement over stock. I have the weight jackers on my cobra and have no complaints.

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I'll personally never buy J&M again. I'm scarred almost literally lol.

I installed them on my 3V and did not notice one was marginally shorter than the other. So AFTER installing the first side, when I unbolted the 2nd stock one, the live axle swings out off the jack stands because it was like an arm at a toll booth. I went ahead and installed it anyway since the car was teetering but when I parted it out, I measured them and it was some millimeters difference. Enough to almost cause major damage if the car had fallen.
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Improvement over stock

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I got hotchkis and she grabs the pavement now. I got a bunch more under there and it hits straight now instead being squirrelly. Track is good too. I haven't had much practice but 60ft will be way better.

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What's your plans? Just a daily? Drag? Lame Autox? lol
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It's daily driving and on weekend it's track with supercharger traction control and 275/40/17 doesn't do any good, some friends told me I should change just the lower control arm and shock and I be good that's why m here with j&m lower control to see if it's good or not
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If you want to launch good you need:

Subframe connectors (weld in)
Lower control arms
Upper control arms (or Torque Arm)
70/30 shocks
And drag radials
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If u don't mind can u give me the brands name?
Lower control arm m going with steeda probably the best
Subframe probably mm
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Lower control arm m going with steeda probably the best
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Hate j&m all you want but i cut 1.5 60' on them and abuse the hell out of them. Pulled them off a few weeks back to inspect and no cracks or bends. Welds still look solid and bushings are perfect. I leave on a 5k 2 step with 500lb of torque...

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For some people j&m is good other not I but I think if u really going to put money in why not put another $100 and get something good just want to thank you for replying tho
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I've had both Steeda and Max Motorsports. Actually hook up better with the Steedas but that also might be because my current 4.6L doesn't make the bottom end my Cobra did.
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Get some radials. You will never look back.
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Get some radials. You will never look back.
Even with radials you still need suspension. The suspension is probably more important actually.
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Street tires with a good suspension will hook up 1000x better than drag radials on stock suspension. Hell, I hook up better with my BFG street tires than I did with my Nitto 555Rs although those really weren't true drag radials.
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Street tires with a good suspension will hook up 1000x better than drag radials on stock suspension. Hell, I hook up better with my BFG street tires than I did with my Nitto 555Rs although those really weren't true drag radials.
I would totally consider 555R a true radial, just not the best. It is probably the BEST DR to daily drive.

On control arms only, 38 PSI, and lowered (which is not good for 60' times, I pulled 1.88s launching at 3200 on Regualr 275/18 555s.

I then added relocation brackets and on the one hole down from stock, launching at 6k on the same tires I was pulling 1.81s. So as you stated, Suspension will squeeze every ounce of performance out of a street tire. Now, people will dismiss this tire, or that part based on THEIR inability to perform with said parts.
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Lol, I dismiss it because the damn things didn't hook worth **** unless I heated them up or it was 95+ degrees outside. These BFGs hook way better with everything else being equal.
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Lol, I dismiss it because the damn things didn't hook worth **** unless I heated them up or it was 95+ degrees outside. These BFGs hook way better with everything else being equal.
You sound like you race a lot. So I am sure you know that all drag radials need to be heated up. Some less than others but they do require some form of a burn out.

I then upgraded to 555R2 Which is actually the R but with a sidewall, which wouldn't be ideal for drag racing and I was BOGGING those tires so I am definitely a believer in them for a DD drag radial. Most drag radials, specifically the 555 need to be above 60 degrees I believe to work even a little. Prissy little tires.

Now, the 555Rs I do not think would ever see a 1.6XX 60'. Maybe a 1.699 but ET streets are as barely a street legal radial as they come and hook fantastic.
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Obviously he would need more, but why not go ahead and get radials. I street drive my toyos, not a daily anymore but they done good in rain unless you are being stupid
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Toyos are super high end street radials though, albeit, overpriced IMO... I'll take the BFGs I got for $600 shipped to my door over double that for the Toyos. I can't imagine they are 100% better but I could be talking out of my ***.
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You sound like you race a lot. So I am sure you know that all drag radials need to be heated up. Some less than others but they do require some form of a burn out.

I then upgraded to 555R2 Which is actually the R but with a sidewall, which wouldn't be ideal for drag racing and I was BOGGING those tires so I am definitely a believer in them for a DD drag radial. Most drag radials, specifically the 555 need to be above 60 degrees I believe to work even a little. Prissy little tires.

Now, the 555Rs I do not think would ever see a 1.6XX 60'. Maybe a 1.699 but ET streets are as barely a street legal radial as they come and hook fantastic.
I used to race a lot. Mostly on the street because I was an idiot, I've learned my lesson not the hard way but just from growing the hell up although I think anyone who says they never take someone on from light to light up to or a little above the speed limit is a liar. Not if you are into modding these cars enough to be a frequent poster on an online mustang forum. And yes, the 555Rs did pretty well when heated up but I will never have them again. My BFGs hook up just as well as the 555Rs did not to mention if I get caught in the rain I'm no longer worried about dying from the rearend just sliding out on me. Also my ride quality is LIGHT YEARS better with these tires which can be attributed to them being new, fatter sidewall, lighter etc... but still.

In all honesty if I'm going to seriously race and go to the track I'm going to get a set of dedicated rear rims and some ET streets for those days and I'll do radials at all other times. IMHO, the drag radial is just a waste of money. Not as good as a slick for all out launching and not as good as a nice radial for street driving. Plus they wear out super fast and Nitto can't seem to get the sizing right so even a 315 wide 555R is too narrow for a 10.5" wide rim.

This is all just IMO though. If you or anyone else likes to run DRs, run DRs.
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I used to race a lot. Mostly on the street because I was an idiot, I've learned my lesson not the hard way but just from growing the hell up although I think anyone who says they never take someone on from light to light up to or a little above the speed limit is a liar. Not if you are into modding these cars enough to be a frequent poster on an online mustang forum. And yes, the 555Rs did pretty well when heated up but I will never have them again. My BFGs hook up just as well as the 555Rs did not to mention if I get caught in the rain I'm no longer worried about dying from the rearend just sliding out on me. Also my ride quality is LIGHT YEARS better with these tires which can be attributed to them being new, fatter sidewall, lighter etc... but still.

In all honesty if I'm going to seriously race and go to the track I'm going to get a set of dedicated rear rims and some ET streets for those days and I'll do radials at all other times. IMHO, the drag radial is just a waste of money. Not as good as a slick for all out launching and not as good as a nice radial for street driving. Plus they wear out super fast and Nitto can't seem to get the sizing right so even a 315 wide 555R is too narrow for a 10.5" wide rim.

This is all just IMO though. If you or anyone else likes to run DRs, run DRs.
Without a 60' you can't be sure if they hook better or don't. I daily drove my 555R rain or shine. They gripped great in the rain at 371 WHP. They were 305 on a 10 inch wheel and it was near perfect. I can get pics for you to see but yes, they run a pinch narrow. Like about a full size (10MM).

Drag radials for the track are very useful and actually used more often than slicks. Look at the Outlaw series at Atco. 8.50s on 275 Drag radials. The 555R has no side wall but the R2 does. You may like that one better.
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Agreed on the 60' telling the full tale. I'm just talking about hooking up on the street with no burnout prior or anything. I got caught in the rain once with mine and it was all I could do to keep the rearend from sliding around. They were near their end of life though, I'm assuming a fresh set would do better.

My 555Rs were SUPER narrow though. The car came with a 315/35/17 555R out back on a 17x10.5 wheel and the entire lip of the rim was out past the sidewall. With my current 275/40/18 BFGs being a perfect fit on a 10" wide rim and just a touch small on a 10.5" rim it illustrates just how much sizes can vary from manufacturer to manufacturer although there is no way in hell a 315 should be too narrow for a 10.5" rim.
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Yes that is super narrow damn. Even over inflation wouldn't do that. May have added to your lack of wet traction.
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I got my toyos 170 a piece 50 shipping. 315/35 I may slap some Hoosiers on there when these are out.
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Hey guys just want to share I end up getting steeda lower control arms and street tires from American muscle. They will be at my house next week
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