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Old 07-28-2014, 05:20 AM   #1
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Help Making Forced Induction Plan

Hi there, I have a 1998 Mustang GT
I recently got into a job opportunity making very good money and i would like to put together a forced induction plan.
My horsepower/torque goals are around 650-700ish
I understand that with that much horsepower i will have to prepare the car with suspension and etc...
So my question is what would be my best route to reach that horsepower?
Single turbo, Twin turbo, Procharger, Kennebell?
I have found one video of a 2v 4.6 running a 2.8L Kennebell and putting down 748horsepower on a dyno but i read multiple threads about superchargers only putting our 2v 4.6s at around 550ish and maxing out.
So i am a little confused. If it is possible to reach 650-700 horsepower with a supercharger i would lean more towards that route because of less piping and engine bay clutter plus because i want to run a Manual transmission.
Any help or opinions would be greatly appreciated.
I am in no rush i just want to have a game plan laid out for when i start ordering parts and beginning this build.
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1 - You are going to be into a build for almost $20k to do 600-700hp reliably in a 98 GT

2 - At that power level the manual trans is a liability UNLESS you are road racing. You'll get your *** handed to you at the 1/4 by any automatic making similar or even less power if you are stick. If you still want stick then you're going to need a Magnum or a built 3650 since there are no aftermarket gearsets for the T-45 and it'll let go around the 600 mark even with a 26 spline upgrade.

3 - The threads you have read about the maxed out superchargers are likely for small displacement superchargers and ported Eatons on Cobra blocks.

4 - You will want to ensure the ENTIRE car is ready for this power level as well. This means a lot of chassis reinforcement, suspension, built rear, built trans, cage, safety stuff etc...

5 - Your best route to reach your power level is to sell your car and buy a Coyote, then throw a turbo kit at it. You'll spend the same or less money, have a much nicer, newer, higher tech car and it already comes with a motor and driveline setup that will handle 600-650.

Now to answer your original question to get to your power level on a 98 I would:

- Built 2V with ported PI heads and turbo cams
- Built 4R70w with triple disc converter or a built stick shift with a dual disc clutch setup.
- Built SRA
- Torque arm/panhard bar setup
- Subframes
- Tubular K member
- Full coilover suspension
- 6 point cage at least with harness provisions
- Turbocharger kit with a turbo capable of making the power you want
- More I'm forgetting

This is about $20k worth of stuff like I said and more if you have someone else do the labor. A good used 2011 Coyote is $20-$22k and leftover 2014s new are going for as low as $27k driven off the lot. A good turbo kit is $3k for a Coyote and with that, a tune and a little suspension work you will be at your goal and able to use it.
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Just coyote swap it.
Here is a perfect example

Watch "my 2004 mustang gt coyote build video" on YouTube
my 2004 mustang gt coyote build video: http://youtu.be/IpZXL6GCDF4

Less power and considerably faster than the built kenne bell 2v power plant. watch and see

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His car was on the cover of muscle mustangs and fast ford's also

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Just coyote swap it.
Here is a perfect example

Watch "my 2004 mustang gt coyote build video" on YouTube
my 2004 mustang gt coyote build video: my 2004 mustang gt coyote build video - YouTube

Less power and considerably faster than the built kenne bell 2v power plant. watch and see

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That's an option too. I'm honestly getting ready to sell my Teksid and crank because it really is cheaper to do a Coyote swap than build a modular anymore. Unless you do a super budget build but even then its like $2k+ for decent heads on a mod motor.
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That's an option too. I'm honestly getting ready to sell my Teksid and crank because it really is cheaper to do a Coyote swap than build a modular anymore. Unless you do a super budget build but even then its like $2k+ for decent heads on a mod motor.
See coyote swap. The stock heads on the coyote do not even need to be worked, unless you want to.
Stock heads/ cams coyote have been 1200+ easily

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Yeah I've been reading the thread on the On3 testbed 2011 Coyote and dude was doing 10s through the stock auto at 6psi with just a catback and the On3 O mid pipe with a tune. When he pulled the motor to get a "built" one they left the stock heads/cams alone, threw a boss intake and forged internals at it with a triple disc stall and its currently running 9s as his daily lol.
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Just coyote swap it.
Here is a perfect example

Watch "my 2004 mustang gt coyote build video" on YouTube
my 2004 mustang gt coyote build video: http://youtu.be/IpZXL6GCDF4

Less power and considerably faster than the built kenne bell 2v power plant. watch and see

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Pretty sure this guy is a member on here, as well. I forget his name, But i know he was featured on MM&FF. i think he added boost to that car. It's fast as all hell.


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The fastest stock factory sealed coyote was Ronnie's from rev auto. Stock motor coyote in a new edge with single turbo, was running high 8 ' s.

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Watch "Stock motor 8 second turbo coyote!" on YouTube
Stock motor 8 second turbo coyote!: http://youtu.be/jdWN_uJjTiY

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Pretty sure this guy is a member on here, as well. I forget his name, But i know he was featured on MM&FF. i think he added boost to that car. It's fast as all hell.


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He was. His car is for sale or sold already though

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The fastest stock factory sealed coyote was Ronnie's from rev auto. Stock motor coyote in a new edge with single turbo, was running high 8 ' s.

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That's another thing about getting a newer Coyote car, the rest of the driveline is no joke especially if one get's an auto.
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So a coyote swap would be a better idea than going forced induction on my 2v ?
What manual transmission can go with it and how much does the engine/wiring harness/transmission gonna cost ??
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So a coyote swap would be a better idea than going forced induction on my 2v ?
What manual transmission can go with it and how much does the engine/wiring harness/transmission gonna cost ??
Did you not watch the video?
The built kenne bell 2v was slower than a NA coyote by a considerable amount

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All together. Your looking at $8,000 roughly

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Is my t-45 tranny compatible?
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T45 will bolt to a Coyote but it's going to need to be gone through and fully built and even then they still max out around 600 hp. As I already mentioned.

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So what would you recommend? Sorry I missed that you had already mentioned that. I want to keep it manual.
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