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Old 04-28-2015, 03:23 PM   #386
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Of course Bmw guys will say that, and they're wrong. The cars are garbage there's no argument. They are poorly made and overpriced and overrated...
95 was the last good BMW after that they decided to ruin their cars...

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Seriously!? I'm all about American cars. I've never bought anything but American cars in fact, but I can't say I believe that statement for a minute. I believe the parts cost more for sure. But no way BMW has garbage cars lol.


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It's because you don't work on them,
Here's an example...
Believe it or not everything that holds the engine together is aluminum. They did this to prevent electrolysis of the coolant. It is a smart move but very poorly executed. The engines aren't living long enough for electrolysis to even be an issue, everything is breaking before electrolysis could effect the engine.
Another example we had an 06 BMW come to our shop for an oil leak. After doing an inspection and diagnostics, we found where the leak was coming from. Now BMW released a technical service bulletin about a certain area on the engine. There's two metal plates and over time the plates will start to pull apart. And if oil is leaking form said area, this is was BMW said, the engine needs to be replaced. The car was well maintained and had low mileage and it still happened to the vehicle. One of the criteria for a technical service bulletin to be issued is an issue that has appeared an X number of times on production vehicles. It is similar to a recall. Now it took nearly 6 hours of labor to get to the location of the spot. After showing the information to the owner of the vehicle and showing the location with proof it had oil leaking there. This is stated from BMW the engine had to be replaced, 12 thousand dollars for an engine. After reassembling the car and having it towed to a BMW. BMW charged them over 4 grand and the car only lived for 1 year before engine was toast.
Another interesting note you might like is, BMW no longer offers wire diagrams or service bulletins for their cars to the public. BMW has the info programmed in their scan tools, that's one reason why we had to by a factory BMW scan tool, we couldn't fix them because we couldn't get the proper information, and BMW wanted close to 10 grand for a scan tool...
I'll say it again BMWs are garbage, their interior might be nice and they might look good but their powertrain and computer system are GARBAGE...


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Hmmm, I always hear that "160k is just getting broken in for a BMW" but again, that's the internets.


It can all be solved by buying a real clean E36 M3 and swapping in a LS1. Although a clean one of those is about the same price as a FD RX7 roller for that sort of swap.
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Alright here you go. This is from a 06 BMW...
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Which they started getting bad around the 95-2000 era, that area is kinda hit and miss, but newer it's more strike out...
80s BMWs are bullet proof, would like to have a M6 from the 80s


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The best way to "own" one of the fine European automobiles is to lease a brand new one and be able to write the payment off on your income tax. Short term and turn it in when the lease is up.
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It's because you don't work on them,
Here's an example...
Believe it or not everything that holds the engine together is aluminum. They did this to prevent electrolysis of the coolant. It is a smart move but very poorly executed. The engines aren't living long enough for electrolysis to even be an issue, everything is breaking before electrolysis could effect the engine.
Another example we had an 06 BMW come to our shop for an oil leak. After doing an inspection and diagnostics, we found where the leak was coming from. Now BMW released a technical service bulletin about a certain area on the engine. There's two metal plates and over time the plates will start to pull apart. And if oil is leaking form said area, this is was BMW said, the engine needs to be replaced. The car was well maintained and had low mileage and it still happened to the vehicle. One of the criteria for a technical service bulletin to be issued is an issue that has appeared an X number of times on production vehicles. It is similar to a recall. Now it took nearly 6 hours of labor to get to the location of the spot. After showing the information to the owner of the vehicle and showing the location with proof it had oil leaking there. This is stated from BMW the engine had to be replaced, 12 thousand dollars for an engine. After reassembling the car and having it towed to a BMW. BMW charged them over 4 grand and the car only lived for 1 year before engine was toast.
Another interesting note you might like is, BMW no longer offers wire diagrams or service bulletins for their cars to the public. BMW has the info programmed in their scan tools, that's one reason why we had to by a factory BMW scan tool, we couldn't fix them because we couldn't get the proper information, and BMW wanted close to 10 grand for a scan tool...
I'll say it again BMWs are garbage, their interior might be nice and they might look good but their powertrain and computer system are GARBAGE...


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Yeah, but really, there's stories like this for every manufacturer. I'm not trying to say they haven't practiced the old "cut costs" routine, but seems like they still make good reliable vehicles. Or at least as reliable as the top 5 manufacturers. I've talked to Ford service techs that think Ford's product sucks lol. I think it's just something that people who work on vehicles and you see how modern vehicles are engineered nowadays, it makes you question the quality. It's like that for most I'm sure.
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Good reliable cars are definitely not BMWs. Say what you want, I'm telling what they really are. I work on them on a daily basis, we know their flaws and their extremely low perks. They aren't as bad as VWs and land rovers, but they are close. Anyone who wants to buy a euro car will regret it sooner or later, all it takes is time...


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Good reliable cars are definitely not BMWs. Say what you want, I'm telling what they really are. I work on them on a daily basis, we know their flaws and their extremely low perks. They aren't as bad as VWs and land rovers, but they are close. Anyone who wants to buy a euro car will regret it sooner or later, all it takes is time...

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Lol I have heard that about VW's for sure.


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Good reliable cars are definitely not BMWs. Say what you want, I'm telling what they really are. I work on them on a daily basis, we know their flaws and their extremely low perks. They aren't as bad as VWs and land rovers, but they are close. Anyone who wants to buy a euro car will regret it sooner or later, all it takes is time...


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A buddy of mine has gone through several Euro cars!.. They constantly break down on him!.. Yet he insists on how Superior they are!.. Lol.


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A buddy of mine has gone through several Euro cars!.. They constantly break down on him!.. Yet he insists on how Superior they are!.. Lol.


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I work on euro cars from owners to dealerships, they are extremely labor extensive. My Audi, I had to put an engine in it, took 30 hours to do, you have to take the entire front end off, minus the fenders. They are poorly built, all of them, parts are expensive and it takes a long time to do. We don't Micky mouse or halfass anything, no one wants to work on the European stuff, or fix it right. Buy domestic or Asian that's all, stay away from European cars at least the newer ones...


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It doesn't matter what the country of origin is... If it has tits or tires, you are going to have trouble with it!
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Nothing wrong with BMWs. Lots of the issues they and VW/Audi have are due to the owner neglecting them. Using inferior oil, not following the maintenance plans. People who typically have these cars are not DIY mechanics and will never turn a wrench on them. But recon and all his knowledge & wisdom knows more than the German engineers. Just because they are "harder to work on" doesn't make them poorly built. As stated before, anyone can sit here and point out problems and potential issues with any auto manufacturer.
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Biggest issue with the SRT4 was the crowd that owned them back when they were newer. Biggest toolsheds on the planet from my experience.


Anyway, I still say Soccer should get something like a real clean E36 BMW 3 series. They run forever, they look great, interiors are good and they aren't exactly expensive these days. Even an E36 M3 that is in perfect working order with lower miles is going to be under $10k. I've even seen some E46s dipping down into the low $teen range but those are almost all with the SMG trans or need a lot of work.
Hey! I had a new 2004 srt4!! I was in my mid twenties and not part of that crowd. Anyway, it was an Awesome car, I miss it all the time. I beat a ton of un suspecting individuals in that car. I sold in it a day and a half to an ex mustang guy who wanted something fast but more economical, lol. Made some money back on it Also. I kind of want another one.

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Now I kind of want a truck. Could trailer the Mustang. Lift it, and do stupid stuff in it.


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I remember when the Raptors first came out, people were taking them out and using them like actual pre-runner trucks, and the frames were bending in the middle from jumping them! Lol

They're cool trucks. Kind of heavy but they get some good power out of the old 6.2L when supercharged.
I understand that the 2017 Raptor is going to have a 3.5L EcoBoost engine with around 500 hp!

It would be awesome if they had one of THOSE at that EcoBoost Challenge!
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A friend at school has a raptor. I got to ride in it before, stayed within the city so nothing too exciting but you can definitely tell it's got power..


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Found a few decent 04-08 F150s for not a bad price.... I know the engines are really similar to Mustangs. But what's on the higher miles side for the 5.4? That year range is the 3v I believe.


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That kinda looks like a shelby raptor. Or a raptor with similar body mods.


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My sister has a 2v Expedition that has more than 250k on it! The 3V's have the cam phasers which can cause some ticking.
I think that Recon had a Coyote come into his shop with 90k+ miles on it.

The California Highway Patrol generally keeps the trucks that they use for commercial enforcement until they have 150k miles.
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Getting close to 98K.
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If you want a good little truck you should look into an x-runner. Although your going to want to race it too prob. This is what I had before my GT

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With a truck it'll be more me wanting to lift it and put big tires on it and go through some terrain, also tow the Mustang with it. Never been a fan of foreign trucks. The interior just doesn't suit me.


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My sister has a 2v Expedition that has more than 250k on it! The 3V's have the cam phasers which can cause some ticking.
I think that Recon had a Coyote come into his shop with 90k+ miles on it.

The California Highway Patrol generally keeps the trucks that they use for commercial enforcement until they have 150k miles.
I have a 2003 2V Expy. 120k on it and it drives like new. They do get like 14mpg although there are people on expeditionforum.com who claim 22-24 with a real light foot doing 65-70 on the highway.

Mods to hit that are just the gotts mod, y pipe/catback and a tuner with a mpg tune.

Another plus to the 2v Expy is the Lightning supercharger assy is a 95% direct bolt on. 😈

There is also the 03/04 Navi if you want a little nicer interior and the big 4V. Just saw one for sale around here with 56k miles for $12000. 03/04 Expys will be cheaper. They are practically giving these trucks away these days and they ride niiiiiiiice.


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My parents 2v expy has 288xxx.
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Nice!
I never thought about getting one until until your car had it's little tantrum on the track.

Where does it attach?
And is the hook removable?
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It can be attached a few different places. Some do the bumper support and drill through the bumper. Others do the radiator support so it can fit through the opening in the bumper without drilling. I'll probably put it in at the same time as a new bumper and splitter so I can figure out placement with that and the rods.


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