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Old 09-08-2014, 06:27 PM   #1
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I have a 5.4 navigator and was thinking about maybe swapping the nav engine into the mustang. What are your opinions on thisClick image for larger version

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5.4 2v is a complete waste of money

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5.4 2v is a complete waste of money

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Bc it is. My cousin went through this exact same think your thinking about doing. And it was a waste of money. Sold the car after he was done and bought a 06 gto

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Had 5.4 stroked out to a 5.7
Trick flow heads
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Made 340hp/370tq. All that money and pathetic.

Save your money

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It is a 3v engine so I was thinking might take to upgrades a little better than the 2v.


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It is a 3v engine so I was thinking might take to upgrades a little better than the 2v.


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Awww it's the 3v? It's the 5.4 4v that is really worth it. It needs those heads, breathing is it's main issue.


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Bc it is. My cousin went through this exact same think your thinking about doing. And it was a waste of money. Sold the car after he was done and bought a 06 gto

His 2000 gt
Had 5.4 stroked out to a 5.7
Trick flow heads
Custom stage 5 nitrous cam
Trick flow intake manifold
Full exhaust
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11.1 compression ration
Made 340hp/370tq. All that money and pathetic.

Save your money

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That sucks lol I changed my mind now those numbers are pathetic.


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Awww it's the 3v? It's the 5.4 4v that is really worth it. It needs those heads, breathing is it's main issue.


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My bad it is the 4v just researches it because I thought it was 3v


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If it is a 4v then do it. Those are worth it, the 2v isn't.


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If it is a 4v then do it. Those are worth it, the 2v isn't.


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Yea I had to make sure on that because it is pointless in putting a 2v in they don't respond to mods such as a 4v would and they make much more power. I'm going to start looking into it. the navigator is my dd but I have another Nissan Titan I can use as my dd.


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It's not that hard to hit mid to high 400s NA with them. Then put a shot if nitrous on it.... Better hold on. They have amazing torque because of the super long stroke.


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Space is very very tight though


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It's not that hard to hit mid to high 400s NA with them. Then put a shot if nitrous on it.... Better hold on. They have amazing torque because of the super long stroke.


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I'm really looking forward to it I'm going to take it to shop and see all how much it will cost to do the swap the the engine I have now. Thanks


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What gearing do you have?


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I have 4:10 gears


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That's going to need to change if you do the swap lol. For the torque of the 5.4 and how it revs (long stroke so it doesn't rev as high as most 4vs) I would say 3.55 or so


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That's going to need to change if you do the swap lol. For the torque of the 5.4 and how it revs (long stroke so it doesn't rev as high as most 4vs) I would say 3.55 or so


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Okay that's not a problem it isn't that expensive to change the gears out.


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The 5.4 uses the same 3.552" bore as the 4.6, it is the stroke that changes. It is essentially a super stroked 4.6, which is where the torque comes from. But when you stroke it you lose revs (still revs a tad higher than a 4.6 2v)


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Okay that's not a problem it isn't that expensive to change the gears out.


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Depends on the shop.


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Depends on the shop.


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Yea that's true I might do it with a buddy of mine who is a mechanic then he has done some gear changes before and he owes me a favor too lol .


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Yea that's true I might do it with a buddy of mine who is a mechanic then he has done some gear changes before and he owes me a favor too lol .


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I looked into the 5.4 4v swap myself a while back but decided to go with a Teskid 4.6 4v instead, hopefully that'll happen next summer


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I looked into the 5.4 4v swap myself a while back but decided to go with a Teskid 4.6 4v instead, hopefully that'll happen next summer


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Yea that will be a nice swap i love the body styles of the new edge but the 2v gt can't make much power without a FI system or nitrous. Much easier to make power on a 4v. Let me know how your swap goes when you decide to do it.


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Yea that will be a nice swap i love the body styles of the new edge but the 2v gt can't make much power without a FI system or nitrous. Much easier to make power on a 4v. Let me know how your swap goes when you decide to do it.


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Well it'll be next summer, so almost a year. I'm starting to put money away for it right now since I'm just about at the end of my suspension (for now)


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Well it'll be next summer, so almost a year. I'm starting to put money away for it right now since I'm just about at the end of my suspension (for now)


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Cool I still have some of my suspension to do and new wheels!!


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Jonathan did you ever get your nitrous system working? Just curious

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Jonathan did you ever get your nitrous system working? Just curious

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I've got it In the shop now and they are working on it so I will hopefully have it back soon.


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Get the 4v 5.4 get a stock coyote intake and buy the conversion kit and port and polish the heads and get bigger valves and be happy

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Get the 4v 5.4 get a stock coyote intake and buy the conversion kit and port and polish the heads and get bigger valves and be happy

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Get the 4v 5.4 get a stock coyote intake and buy the conversion kit and port and polish the heads and get bigger valves and be happy

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For the price of all that you could just buy a Coyote pullout for $3k... Sell the stock 2V and the Navi motor and make some $$$ back to buy the FRPP harness. Why anyone would build a motor vs a Coyote pullout is beyond me and I used to be a huge 2V/4V nutswinger. Not to say that the 2V or 4V can't be built to be completely nucking futs but its not cost effective at all and the Coyote is just better in every way.
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For the price of all that you could just buy a Coyote pullout for $3k... Sell the stock 2V and the Navi motor and make some $$$ back to buy the FRPP harness. Why anyone would build a motor vs a Coyote pullout is beyond me and I used to be a huge 2V/4V nutswinger. Not to say that the 2V or 4V can't be built to be completely nucking futs but its not cost effective at all and the Coyote is just better in every way.

I didn't think of that that's a good idea how much do u think I can get for both the nav engine has 80,000 miles and the mustang has forged rods and pistons with 30,000 miles.


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For the price of all that you could just buy a Coyote pullout for $3k... Sell the stock 2V and the Navi motor and make some $$$ back to buy the FRPP harness. Why anyone would build a motor vs a Coyote pullout is beyond me and I used to be a huge 2V/4V nutswinger. Not to say that the 2V or 4V can't be built to be completely nucking futs but its not cost effective at all and the Coyote is just better in every way.

Scotty, if you could find me a coyote for $3k I would buy it and put it in my car lol.


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I just saw one sell on the Corral that started at asking price $3500 with 2x,xxx miles on it. Not sure what it got haggled out to over PMs but it didn't sell full price.

Also saw one sell for $1800 that had a #8 issue where the piston/rod/rings needed replaced and that was it. Bore checked good so that was probably $2300 for someone by the time they got done with a Ford rod/piston/headgaskets and bolts.
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Damn, might have to start looking there. I'm starting to put aside money for an engine swap/build hopefully next summer since I have all my other mods I want accounted for right now.


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Hey, if I can't figure out this ignition problem this fall or over the winter my 98 is going to be in the same boat. I will rip the whole driveline out of my car and sell it before I sell a non-running 96-98 car for $2-$3k with no rust/good paint and all the aftermarket stuff mine has. No doubt I could get it down to the 3100 or 3200lb range and then figure out a combo from there.
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Hey, if I can't figure out this ignition problem this fall or over the winter my 98 is going to be in the same boat. I will rip the whole driveline out of my car and sell it before I sell a non-running 96-98 car for $2-$3k with no rust/good paint and all the aftermarket stuff mine has. No doubt I could get it down to the 3100 or 3200lb range and then figure out a combo from there.
Weight is easy to take off these cars. I'm at 3335lbs with 1/2 tank and no driver right now. The Coyote weighs 60 pounds less than the 2v i believe, so thats an instant 3275lbs. Thats zero fiberglass or carbon fiber work also. And with a coyote it would be 420 horsepower in a pretty light car. Main reason i want to build this one instead of sell it for a newer car.
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