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Old 12-11-2014, 01:29 PM   #71
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He is actually planning on going back into the motor over the off season. Going to bring it up past 400rwhp NA. He spins the motor to 9500rpm at times. Granted it builds power until around 6500rpm then stays flat until about 7800rpm, but its easier to hold it for an extra second in a corner than to shift to 3rd then back down to 2. Car also weighs 2800 pounds.

Thats another thing, if you can cut weight you don't need that can also make a dramatic affect on the performance of the car without even touching the engine.
9500 RPM .. that sounds a bit .. um.. drastic.

I couldn't ever see why anyone would invest the money into a 4.6 to get it to spin at 9500 RPM. I would think if this person were serious about racing, that they would have a quick change rear end with a few sets of gears on hand to gear the car according to the track.

Still, would be interesting to hear it.
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9500 rpm. what computer system is he running?

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I was pretty used to wicked acceleration back in my motocross racing days. At the time, every car was boring. I drove a 600 hp charger and I was like wow.. that's ****ing lame.

But then I quit racing motocross and a few years went by and now here I am having a blast in my 99 mustang GT.. go figure lol. I also think the fact that I own the car makes it more fun. I can have a good night just tinkering on it in the garage
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Trick flow head horsepower

I'd say he is pretty serious considering he won the national Autocross championship in the Street Unlimited class this year.

Its a teskid block with MHS Stage 3 Heads and Stage 4.5 cams (basically really ported PI heads), and a MMR forged rotating assembly. 13.7:1 compression ratio. He said it builds power up until around 6800 then it is flat until around 7800rpm, so it doesn't build but it doesn't lose power. The reason he spins to 9500 at times it because it is easier to hold it for literally one more second than to have to shift up to 3rd gear, then heel toe it back down to 2nd for a corner a second later. It is faster that way, so its not spun that high all the time.

Rap... He said his stock ECU is letting him run that high so far without any issues, just had to completely take out the rev limiter.

388rwhp and 383rwtq, stock bore and stock stroke. Oh and it weighs 2800 pounds currently. He is expecting over 400 NA next race season with a few different parts.
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Really? Dam interesting, didn't think the stock 2v ECU would have timing/ spark tables to support 9500. I know the coyote ECU does not.

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Old 12-11-2014, 09:31 PM   #76
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My final numbers are in: To summarize I have:

Trickflow 38 CC Aluminum Heads
FRPP PI Intake
Comp Cams -Stage 1 Extreme Energy
80 MM MAS
24lb Injectors
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BBK Long Tube Headers
BBK Catted H Pipe
3.73 Gears
Steeda Short Throw Shifter
Professional Dyno Tune
18x9 and 18x10 FR500 Chrome Wheels with Nitto 555 Extremes

That's everything. Ended up finally at 308 RWHP and 320 ft/lbs of Torque. That'll do it for my motor build. Next step is brakes and chassis in January. I will take a trip down to the track and hope to hit somewhere between 12.90 and 13.20 in the 1/4 mile...zero to sixty times....who knows but maybe somewhere in the low 5's high 4's? I know there are lots of folks out there who could successfully argue going FI would have been cheaper and ended me up at the same location or possibly even more...I wanted to stay all motor to start. It cost a lot but the end result is great and I enjoy driving this rocket a whole lot more than when I first bought it. With 36k on the odometer,I surely will have many years of enjoyment out of this 1998 Laser Red convertible GT! I will take some pics and post tomorrow.
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Nice. All you changed were injectors and maf?
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Yep, added that to the equation and called it done. Those and the right tune bumped me 15 or so more hp. Good stuff.


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Based off your numbers it seems like your car would love bigger cams.
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That's AWESOME!!!
It will be a fun, reliable engine. And if you ever decide that you want a little more power every once in a while... You can just spray it!

Congrats Matt! And definitely post some pics!
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1998 Mustang GT Trickflow Results Pics

I attached a some pictures of the Mustang. Love it and after the tune, rides great. Shifted from first into 2nd and dumped the clutch...after a lot of wheel spin, it took off! This car is fantastic. Pray that after all this work, I don't wreck it or Rosco P Coltrain doesn't cuff and stuff me after a burn-out. Cheers!
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U still got the stock plenum and tb on there?! Lol a few more ponies are left on the table just by switching that out to a 70-75mm setup, and u still can boost it later its just with the slightly raised compression u dont go really high boost unless u got a serious bottom end and spot on tune, 5-8 lbs would net a hefty gain for u and deff change the tb and plenum asap lol


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Looks good, man. Good that your satisfied with it for now. I'm sure it feels great, I know what a turd an NPI motor can be, believe me, lol. I think I will sell my car or keep it and get at least a 99-04 mustang GT as my next project. You have a great base to add a 100 shot or boost it now, think of your dyno numbers then!! Good build though, I'm jealous!

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It looks really good and those are some good numbers, would be insterested to see the curve on a dyno sheet.

But this just re-affirms my decision to go Coyote or back to a pushrod. I made 301/325 out of a pushrod 5.0 with a stock rotating assy, $700 Edelbrock heads, $200 worth of intake porting and a $100 used cam. Obviously all the other bolt ons were done and I was leaving some on the table due to ****ty longtubes. That's less than half of what just the TFS heads alone cost...

Again, not trying to be a downer, but damn its expensive to make power in a 4.6L...
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It looks really good and those are some good numbers, would be insterested to see the curve on a dyno sheet.

But this just re-affirms my decision to go Coyote or back to a pushrod. I made 301/325 out of a pushrod 5.0 with a stock rotating assy, $700 Edelbrock heads, $200 worth of intake porting and a $100 used cam. Obviously all the other bolt ons were done and I was leaving some on the table due to ****ty longtubes. That's less than half of what just the TFS heads alone cost...

Again, not trying to be a downer, but damn its expensive to make power in a 4.6L...

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Yep. Drops right in and a mild-ish street 408 will make 500/500 all day. Heck even a running 351 JY pullout with some GT40s and a S trim will do 425/500 on pump gas. I wish they did pushrods in the New Edge besides the 46 1999 S351s which were absolutely bat**** insane cars.
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4.6
High compression
Boost
E85.
Forged motor

Enjoy 800-1000 horsepower


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Enjoy 800-1000 horsepower


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At that power level they are all about the same.
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Trick flow head horsepower

Probably the route I'm going to go. Forged motor using an aluminum block, high compression 13.0:1+and small boost on E85 or Race Gas


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Trick flow head horsepower

Idk why ford couldn't make a pushrod engine that could pass emissions. Chevy kept it pushing and still having pushrod engines put out crazy power to this very day.

I say it's the head designs. A 350ci and a 351ci is basically the same. The heads make or break the cubes


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Pushrods are really only beneficial with their simplicity and their huge displacement. If you were to get a modular to a displacement as large as a pushrod you will usually see better numbers. The fastest production cars in the world use overhead cam engines.
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I just love how easy/simple/cheap it is to work on them.

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Pushrods are really only beneficial with their simplicity and their huge displacement. If you were to get a modular to a displacement as large as a pushrod you will usually see better numbers. The fastest production cars in the world use overhead cam engines.

This right here!..


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Buying 2 cams = $$$
Buying 4 cams = $$$ $$$

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That's sweet! You got at least a 100rwhp jump from doing that. Now if you ever do decide to boost it, you will get much more power from it than if you didn't do the motor work. 15PSI usually doubles your horsepower. 308x2 is a lot better than 200x2 lol.
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That's sweet! You got at least a 100rwhp jump from doing that. Now if you ever do decide to boost it, you will get much more power from it than if you didn't do the motor work. 15PSI usually doubles your horsepower. 308x2 is a lot better than 200x2 lol.
Biggest worry I would have if I was the original poster is that someone is telling him he is going to get 400whp out of this combo. Who the hell knows what is actually in the motor. Even if he has receipts all that means is that he bought them, not necessarily installed in the customer's motor. You can slap TFS heads and a decent set of cams onto a stock rotating assembly and make 320whp... all I am saying. Hopefully the OP paid a few visits during the assembly process and actually saw it all go together.
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Biggest worry I would have if I was the original poster is that someone is telling him he is going to get 400whp out of this combo. Who the hell knows what is actually in the motor. Even if he has receipts all that means is that he bought them, not necessarily installed in the customer's motor. You can slap TFS heads and a decent set of cams onto a stock rotating assembly and make 320whp... all I am saying. Hopefully the OP paid a few visits during the assembly process and actually saw it all go together.
I think that you have this thread confused with the E85 thread, Scotty.
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Whoops, yeah lol. Im bored and its Monday night and nobody cares about the Saints and Bears or the NBA.
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Haha.
I hear that!
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Whoops, yeah lol. Im bored and its Monday night and nobody cares about the Saints and Bears or the NBA.

If it don't involve a couple wheels and at least 200hp, then it's not s sport!.. 😝


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