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Old 11-17-2014, 12:38 AM   #1
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another v6 v8 swap

My 2001 GT automatic (silver) was rear ended and totaled, i bought it back.
Purchased a 2000 v6 manual (white) for super cheap and intend to do the ol' swaparoo.
my question so far is - can i use the t-5 from the v6? is the spline different? im pretty sure i need a different bell housing, where do i get one? hoping to do this swap over the next few weeks.
this is on an extreme budget as much as possible, if i have to get a t-45, i will. i found one for $450. more than i WANT to pay so if the t-5 will work then great!
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Midway through 2001's production, Ford started using the TR-3650. Not sure if that changes your situation, but I'm betting the T-5 is specific for the 6's and may not bolt up or not be built to handle the power.
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Midway through 2001's production, Ford started using the TR-3650. Not sure if that changes your situation, but I'm betting the T-5 is specific for the 6's and may not bolt up or not be built to handle the power.
yes, in february of 01 they switched to the tr3650.
the t-5 can bolt to 4.6 blocks with the first two casting codes of the windsor blocks made in 94 and some 95s. after that they went to a different bolt pattern with the romeo blocks.
think im just going to get a t-45 or tr3650 so i dont have to worry about the t-5 breaking on me.
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yes, in february of 01 they switched to the tr3650.
the t-5 can bolt to 4.6 blocks with the first two casting codes of the windsor blocks made in 94 and some 95s. after that they went to a different bolt pattern with the romeo blocks.
think im just going to get a t-45 or tr3650 so i dont have to worry about the t-5 breaking on me.
Wrong, the T-5 will not bolt to a modular without a $600+ Quicktime bellhousing. The 4.6L bolt pattern is completely different from the pushrod 5.0 bolt pattern. Oddly enough, the old 5.0 and the 3.8L V6 share the same bolt pattern. Long story short, you need a T45 or 3650.

Or just leave it automatic and put in a nice stall converter while its out and j-mod it and be faster than if you converted to 5 spd.
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Wrong, the T-5 will not bolt to a modular without a $600+ Quicktime bellhousing. The 4.6L bolt pattern is completely different from the pushrod 5.0 bolt pattern. Oddly enough, the old 5.0 and the 3.8L V6 share the same bolt pattern. Long story short, you need a T45 or 3650.

Or just leave it automatic and put in a nice stall converter while its out and j-mod it and be faster than if you converted to 5 spd.
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the early 4.6s shared a bolt pattern with the 3.8 and the 5.0

the white car is already set up for manual although to switch to a t-45 i would have to convert other things too, the tranny mount, reverse light switch and who knows what else.
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There are other "gotchas" to those engines. Let me clarify... they will not bolt to any 4.6L blocks from a Mustang. You'd spend way more money trying to find a 4.6L that old that still runs and then adapt it to your application than you would just buying a T45.

Those motors also weren't in Mustangs, F1 and F2=1991 and 1992.

It also might be cheaper for you to just sell everything you have and buy a GT. Might not be, but they can be had for not very much money.
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so i went ahead and ordered a tr3650, what all would i need to do to the white car set up for a t-5 getting a 4.6l? im guessing ill need a fly wheel? or will the flywheel of the automatic work? i know ill need a clutch kit, polot bearing, throw out bearing. anyone know if the mount for the t-5 will fit the tr3650? if so i can just move it back as needed to fit.
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...It also might be cheaper for you to just sell everything you have and buy a GT. Might not be, but they can be had for not very much money.
I just picked up a nice '02 GT for $4.7K.
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Old 11-17-2014, 02:21 PM   #9
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It also might be cheaper for you to just sell everything you have and buy a GT. Might not be, but they can be had for not very much money.
well it certainly would be much easier but not cheaper. GT automatics around here go for at least 5k in good condition, GT manuals go for around 7k in stock good condition. the value of my totaled GT is worth $1k, the i got the v6 manual for $1800.
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Autos don't have flywheels, they have flexplates. You will need the $130 6 bolt iron Ford flywheel, a clutch, all the 5 spd swap parts. Mount is going to be different so you'll need that too. 3650 uses a different shifter so you need a 3650 shifter, new driveshaft since the 3650 is 31 spline output and the t-5 is 28 or you can find a 31 spline manual trans yoke and put it on the driveshaft from the auto.

Like I said, might be cheaper to sell what you have than do this conversion but I don't know for sure what you spent so that'd be up to you to decide. I would also be VERY wary of buying a used 3650, its more of a crapshoot than other transmissions because they all came overfilled from the factory and this caused windage problems with them until the TSB was released to drop the fill from 3.8 to 3.2 quarts.
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Old 11-17-2014, 03:06 PM   #11
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if its too much to use a tr3650, ill just make it an automatic, that cant be that hard since i already have everything.
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You already have everything to put together an automatic GT. That is the route I would go. J-mod the trans while its out. J-mod is a cheap mod that'll make the trans shift like a BAMF. I'd also look into a converter. That's $400-$600 you probably weren't looking to spend but if you are looking to go fast in a straight line, it'll really help.
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Old 11-17-2014, 03:45 PM   #13
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ya guess ur right
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I mean do what you want man, if you want a 5 spd do it, but just be aware of the costs involved before you make the decision. Like a tune for the auto computer to get rid of all the auto stuffs etc... As I said it would very likely be cheaper to just buy a 5 spd GT after selling your stuff seeing but you'd have to see what's out there. It has been my experience that v6-v8 swaps are almost never cost effective for a first timer.
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i have a tuner so telling the computer it now has a manual is not an issue.
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u know what, i like automatics, you can tune the crap out of them. having a manual is more of a novelty to me, plus manuals sell for more.
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Autos are better for 1/4 and light to light anyway. Anyone who tells you different has never been to a track.
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i agree, humans make mistakes automatics dont
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Old 11-17-2014, 08:24 PM   #19
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Yep... 8k for my 116k manual...


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Yep... 8k for my 116k manual...


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I saw a 2002 GT automatic on Autotrader with 28k miles for $9k a few months ago... I also paid $6k for my very well modded and PI swapped 98GT when I bought it with less miles than that. I'd say you overpaid unless you are in Cali or something. Seems that in those areas the market is so nuts that it is cheaper to buy a few states over and go fly out/drive back or have the car shipped.
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I saw a 2002 GT automatic on Autotrader with 28k miles for $9k a few months ago... I also paid $6k for my very well modded and PI swapped 98GT when I bought it with less miles than that. I'd say you overpaid unless you are in Cali or something. Seems that in those areas the market is so nuts that it is cheaper to buy a few states over and go fly out/drive back or have the car shipped.

Texas. 8k is with ttl but I didn't overpay. There are deals here and there but that's what they go for around here. Auto's are a little cheaper. I assume it's because we can drive them a lot longer than in the north. Makes them worth more.


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another v6 v8 swap

Thats actually a myth, i know it makes sense that way but strangely enough its not true. Somehow theres more rust in Texas than Washington state, I've seen both junk yards.
Also, getting a car from a dealer is overpaying, i always buy cars from craigslist and save tons, but i also fix my own cars and know what I'm looking for.

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Progress report..






















almost half way done, we are going to lift the body up and extract the drive train from underneath.

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almost half way done, we are going to lift the body up and extract the drive train from underneath.
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