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Old 01-13-2015, 09:42 AM   #1
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Hey there guys I'm new to ford mustang world. Before I've had camaros, civics (dont hate please) bmws all those but i decided to do a little something different and get myself a gt. I found a good 1998 GT on craigslist with 96k miles so i bought it. Thing is it's an automatic :/ I found out that Mustangs manual trannys are expensive. Could someone please list for me the things i would need, how much they would be and the steps to doing so. I have tools and everything i just don't have the knowledge but i would like to learn.


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Not trying to be a downer but for the price of a swap your better off selling your current one unless you can find every thing for super cheap.


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What would the things i need be? I have 8k to put on it. So the first thing i want to do is get everything ready. Like engine and tranny wise. I'm planning on boosting it after I've bought everything to replace the old stuff. I have a 88mm hellion turbo kit from my older brothers cobra I don't know if the piping would work but i am keeping the turbo charger


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What would the things i need be? I have 8k to put on it. So the first thing i want to do is get everything ready. Like engine and tranny wise. I'm planning on boosting it after I've bought everything to replace the old stuff. I have a 88mm hellion turbo kit from my older brothers cobra I don't know if the piping would work but i am keeping the turbo charger


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If you have 8k to put on it sell it and buy a 99-04 Gt. Lol they are much faster. Even if you get 3k for your car, you might be able to even find a 05-09 for 11k with decent miles. The NPI cars were hella slow. You'll have a lot more fun with a new edge PI car. Find a manual in one of those and have fun. Manuals are worth a little more cause they are more fun to drive.


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If you can find a manual tr-3650 at a junk yard or a sn-95 wrecked with an manual and get all the cables you need and pedals. But from the store is gonna steal all your money finding one and buying it can be risky but I've done it many times and never bought a bad tranny.


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Well heres the deal. If you are boosting it, it doesn't really matter if your engine is the PI or not. The internals max out at around 400 horsepower on either one, you just might have to run a couple extra pounds of boost to make it happen on an NPI engine.


if you do the swap,
-you need a T-45 or a TR-3650 trans
-you need a flywheel from that gen mustang, not the flex plate you have now
-Clutch Cable
-Shifter and the interior **** that goes around it
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-possibly a different driveshaft? not sure about that one though.
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I'm pretty sure the manual trannys driveshaft is a tad longer. While you're at it you might as well put in an aluminum one. Also selling your current tranny and all the bits that go with it will help you recoup some money.


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I'm pretty sure the manual trannys driveshaft is a tad longer. While you're at it you might as well put in an aluminum one. Also selling your current tranny and all the bits that go with it will help you recoup some money.


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Idk how long the auto is, but I know it is a 4 speed and the manual is a 5 speed. Usually more gears = shorter driveshaft.


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I stand corrected. The yolk on the auto is .75" longer and the barrel is
.090" larger. I just looked on LMR on the specs.


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You guys are awesome but I have decided after doing some research that I should buy a 2003 Cobra. I like the body style and the engine seems to go strong, and instead of boosting it with turbo I'm going to remove the stock supercharger and buy a kenne bell. I would like to know something though, what would i have to do to make a 500-900 whp mustang? With no budget. Idc about the money


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If you truly didn't care about the money and had no budget buy a Lamborghini...

Everyone has a budget lol


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500-900 is one hell of a gap.

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If you truly didn't care about the money and had no budget buy a Lamborghini...

Everyone has a budget lol


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Hahaa true true but okay well if we're putting a budget then 30k


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Hahaa true true but okay well if we're putting a budget then 30k


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500-900 is one hell of a gap.

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I don't want less than 500 and I don't want more than 900 that's why I put those numbers but yea I know its a huge gap


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Well if you want 500-530 that can be done with stock blower and about 4k

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$30k budget I'd buy a Coyote for $20k and then slap a Paxton on it. If you are near Florida there is a white base model 2011 M6 with 18k miles on it for $20k on SVT. There's also an A6 premium in WV with 20k miles for $22k and I bet you could get it for $20k. There are similar deals on various other sites/classifieds.


Now... what are your goals for this car because if it is 1/4 mile times then you'll probably want to stick with the auto. The 98s were actually the first year to get the good automatics with the upgraded internals. PI swap/bolt ons and a converter on your 98 and you've got a 12 second car no problem. $8k budget will get you there no issue and you won't have a car payment on a newer model unless you are just going to drop $30k cash.
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Old 01-15-2015, 11:44 AM   #18
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$30k budget I'd buy a Coyote for $20k and then slap a Paxton on it. If you are near Florida there is a white base model 2011 M6 with 18k miles on it for $20k on SVT. There's also an A6 premium in WV with 20k miles for $22k and I bet you could get it for $20k. There are similar deals on various other sites/classifieds.


Now... what are your goals for this car because if it is 1/4 mile times then you'll probably want to stick with the auto. The 98s were actually the first year to get the good automatics with the upgraded internals. PI swap/bolt ons and a converter on your 98 and you've got a 12 second car no problem. $8k budget will get you there no issue and you won't have a car payment on a newer model unless you are just going to drop $30k cash.

This is a really helpful comment thank you sir, and well tbh I was thinking about getting PI heads and putting them on the Non PI block and Getting cams for it, but i am not sure if I can put PI heads on a non PI engine. And also what would be a good intake for the pi heads? And what injectors would be a good pair to go with?


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Old 01-15-2015, 04:47 PM   #19
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You can put PI heads on a NPI block. This is the PI swap basically. I'm planning on doing this to my 96 this coming spring. The Ford racing PI intake flows well enough to use that for the swap. You can get the intake for about 215 and the heads new are 450 or so each from American muscle etc. You could always find used PI heads. I'm going to do PI heads, stage 1 cams, PI intake manifold on mine.

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Then a trick flow or summit plenum /throttle body, and 24lb injectors and a tune to tie everything all together.

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That actually does sound like a good idea. I have a 91mm throttle body that I plan on putting it on.


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That actually does sound like a good idea. I have a 91mm throttle body that I plan on putting it on.


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Wait wait wait your wanting to put a 91mm throttle body on a 2v 4.6 PI motor?


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Would that be bad? It's a spare part from my brothers old Cobra. I'm taking parts from that car putting them into this one.


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Not sure that's going to even fit. The most I've seen people run for a non super chargered or turboed 4.6 is 78mm. Pretty sure if they did fit it will be to big and will be to much for your engine to handle and will reduce air flow.


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Okay then I'll just stick to a small one. I'm new to the pony world guys sorry I don't know much I'm trying to learn.


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Your fine and honestly you can keep the stock 65mm just upgrade the plenum for now for like 109$. That's the choke hold the the throttles on these cars


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Your fine and honestly you can keep the stock 65mm just upgrade the plenum for now for like 109$. That's the choke hold the the throttles on these cars


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The plenum is the part of the intake that connects the throttle body to the intake manifoldClick image for larger version

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The one I'm pointing at is the stock one with the pony on it

The one on the right is the trick flow 75mm plenum


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Fun fact about the plenum, Ford never changed it over in 1999 when they upgraded the motor. Still a "NPI" plenum on all 4.6L 2V Mustangs.
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Fun fact about the plenum, Ford never changed it over in 1999 when they upgraded the motor. Still a "NPI" plenum on all 4.6L 2V Mustangs.

And this is why it's such a choke point for the PI motors. The heads and intake mani were changed to make it flow better. Along with the bigger injectors the plenum doesn't flow well enough to fully take advantage of all they changed.


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You guys are awesome. Really helpful people. I've come to the conclusion of getting PI heads. Brand new i found them for 500 on americanmuscle.com going to get a plenum from there too most likely a 75mm with a 75mm throttle body also and I'm going to buy cams and a good tune should get me to hopefully 300+whp


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And also I'll be getting Flowmaster 40 series full exhaust with long tube Headers. Would that be a goos nice setup for it?


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Make sure the PI intake you get is the ford one, not the am knock off or the Dorman.
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Make sure the PI intake you get is the ford one, not the am knock off or the Dorman.

I'm going to get a Ford Racing cylinder head kit well i hope they sell those. I want to do the car with all ford racing parts.


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American muscle has the real Ford racing PI heads. I think their around 463 each side.

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What cams are you going to be using? I haven't decided yet on the ones I'm going to get. I'm going to order the new heads in a month or two. Before then though I wanted to get the cams so their ready. I think I'm going with cushman stage 1 or comp stage 1. With new heads from what I have read the springs will be fine with those.

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