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Old 03-16-2015, 06:33 PM   #1
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Brother's motor threw a rod

So my brother's 03 GT threw a rod. I'm trying to help him figure out what to do next. Would be better to do a 5.0 swap? Or do a Termi? Or just put another 2V? Factors will be price, and upgrades to the rest of the car. We want to keep it cheap, and have minimal upgrades. But we want to upgrade if we can. Car has 115,000 miles. Go.


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5.4 4v swap is my vote but hey, im a loser and just put a 2v back in mine when the heart died #PoorPoepleProbs #NewbProbs
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That's what I told him to do, but those are like $8,000


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That's what I told him to do, but those are like $8,000


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Honestly, I think a 4v 4.6 from a mark VIII is the best bang for ur buck. That or a 2v PI 5.4. Those are like $800 around my area and the 4v 4.6 from a mark viii is like $700ish. The 2v PI is $400 and that's what I put in mine. I figured I could get a 4.6 2v in and add nitrous for the same price as upgrading engines. Nitrous is still on my to do list. Along with like $19 trillion in other ****




I wonder if 4v mark viii heads ---would fit on a 5.4 2v block--- if you used the 5.4 4v timing chain cover??? What level of mad scientist are you looking to achieve on this build? You could bore/stroke a 5.4 and add 4v heads, port/polish those, add a 671 blower, 2 holley carbs, 2 stage nitrous, and have open headers. Daily drive that ****
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Where did you get them from?


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www.car-part.com

That's a good place to get it, junkyards post tons of **** on there.

Otherwise there is craigslist auto parts section. you can usually find a 4.6 PI on there depending on how big of a city you're by.
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Ouch ... good luck with the new engine!

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Putting new engine in with ur bro is a good time. Throw dip in and roll your sleeves up. Makes you feel pretty good to be a man when you start your car up with the old engine sitting on the ground next to you. 'merica.
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Honestly, I think a 4v 4.6 from a mark VIII is the best bang for ur buck. That or a 2v PI 5.4. Those are like $800 around my area and the 4v 4.6 from a mark viii is like $700ish. The 2v PI is $400 and that's what I put in mine. I figured I could get a 4.6 2v in and add nitrous for the same price as upgrading engines. Nitrous is still on my to do list. Along with like $19 trillion in other ****




I wonder if 4v mark viii heads ---would fit on a 5.4 2v block--- if you used the 5.4 4v timing chain cover??? What level of mad scientist are you looking to achieve on this build? You could bore/stroke a 5.4 and add 4v heads, port/polish those, add a 671 blower, 2 holley carbs, 2 stage nitrous, and have open headers. Daily drive that ****
A Lincoln Navigator 5.4 4V...
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Coyote > all


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Agreed but his budget won't allow for that. You are talking 8k minimum for a coyote setup you can swap into something else.
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he said those are expensive where hes at
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Agreed but his budget won't allow for that. You are talking 8k minimum for a coyote setup you can swap into something else.
$8k for a coyote swap?

You could swap and build a 5.3 vortec up to 800 horse for that, and still have money left over for suspension work
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$8k for a coyote swap?

You could swap and build a 5.3 vortec up to 800 horse for that, and still have money left over for suspension work

That's what they are going for man. Turn key
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So we've decided to just replace the 2v with another 2v. It's the cheapest option, and we won't have to try and upgrade the rest of the car for all the new power. My brothers in high school lol he's broke.


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So we've decided to just replace the 2v with another 2v. It's the cheapest option, and we won't have to try and upgrade the rest of the car for all the new power. My brothers in high school lol he's broke.


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That's a good idea. Or if you find a 5.4 2v to plop in then id go with that. They are identical engines except for the stroke of the crank, and the intake manifold is different. Oh yeah, and the flywheel has a slightly different bolt pattern because they were made in different plants. That's the end of the real differences though.
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Except you hood won't close with the 5.4. It's significantly taller. You'd have to get a cowl hood.


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Except you hood won't close with the 5.4. It's significantly taller. You'd have to get a cowl hood.


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Which is another good thing. I prefer the idea of cutting a hole in the hood and just letting it hang out
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Agreed but his budget won't allow for that. You are talking 8k minimum for a coyote setup you can swap into something else.
Coyotes don't cost 8k. The aluminator does, a new coyote from Ford Racing is 6.5k I think. Used ones pop up that aren't that bad either.
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Coyotes don't cost 8k. The aluminator does, a new coyote from Ford Racing is 6.5k I think. Used ones pop up that aren't that bad either.
I think hes talking all said and done. Everything adapted, tuned, reliable, good as new and blablahblah

But yeah, if im paying $8k for an engine alone.. that **** better be at least 800 horsies or its just a rip off. Even $8k for a whole car better have 300 horse unless its 100% immaculate in all other aspects
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Coyotes don't cost 8k. The aluminator does, a new coyote from Ford Racing is 6.5k I think. Used ones pop up that aren't that bad either.

It's still more than our 2k budget is allowing lol


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It's still more than our 2k budget is allowing lol


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2k budget would allow for a 5.4 2v swap no problem. Tuned and all. That's about 70 more ft lbs of torque and 40-50 more horsepower depending on what intake you decided to go with. Something to consider, not that theres a damn thing wrong with putting a 4.6 2v back in.

You wouldn't have to change much at all to get that working right. The only thing differently you might want to do is get a flywheel from a 1999-00 mustang GT, because they had the same bolt pattern as all of the 5.4 mains. They're Windsor motors.


Hood clearance issues do exist, but there are a lot of different things you can do to cope with that. cut a hole in the stock hood and stick a scoop on, or get a cowl hood, or just let the intake stick out gloriously, or get an intake that clears everything.
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I think hes talking all said and done. Everything adapted, tuned, reliable, good as new and blablahblah

But yeah, if im paying $8k for an engine alone.. that **** better be at least 800 horsies or its just a rip off. Even $8k for a whole car better have 300 horse unless its 100% immaculate in all other aspects

Yeah I'm talking everything he would need to run a coyote including the motor. He would need a trans, fuel pumps, wire harnesses, gas pedal, gauges, headers ect. Check out eBay and you will see they are 8k-13k (13k for a boss motor set up I saw once)

He wouldn't be able to just buy a coyote and plop it in without ALL that other stuff. I know it's a mute point since OP already said that's a no go, just thought I'd let you know I'm not a lunatic
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Yeah I'm talking everything he would need to run a coyote including the motor. He would need a trans, fuel pumps, wire harnesses, gas pedal, gauges, headers ect. Check out eBay and you will see they are 8k-13k (13k for a boss motor set up I saw once)

He wouldn't be able to just buy a coyote and plop it in without ALL that other stuff. I know it's a mute point since OP already said that's a no go, just thought I'd let you know I'm not a lunatic
yeah I knew what you were talking about. Its expensive to abandon the modular engines in these cars
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Totally get where OP is coming from- I bought my 01 GT for a steal becuz it had a thrown rod, and I already had a whole termi setup sitting around with only 12k miles on it all just waiting to be dropped into something lol just took some patience to wait for the right car to go up for sale and when i saw the craigslist ad for 800 bucks for a 2001 GT with literally no body damage and everything else in pretty much mint condition aside from the thrown rod, I bought it on the spot lol
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