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Old 03-25-2015, 05:23 AM   #1
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WOW!!!!!!!

Called mmr today looking for some steam and a new heart for my stang and I asked for about 450 to 500 hp and that bill hits the wallet at 8400.00 bucks!!!! Sweet lord!!!!!!
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That's real chitty!!!!!
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That's not counting injectors intake tune valve covers oil pan and any other problems you come across! All said and done you'd be 10 grand into it!!
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That's actually how much it costs. Welcome to the world of hot rodding lol. Tally up how much it will cost to build a modular plus the cost of the car and the supporting mods to hold 500hp and you'll be over $20k no problem. Which is why it makes a lot of sense to look at a 2011-up used GT and not **** around with a modular. However, there are other factors such as insurance rates and having a fixed monthly payment vs a "pay as you go" and having something you built yourself.
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You hit that one head on these mod motors are crazy high!!! I miss my fox bodies and the 302!!! I guess at this point the on 3 kit my be the path I take 4800 installed tuned riding away all parts fuel system included
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Eh, a built pushrod is the same price pretty much... If you really just want 400-500hp I'd get a fresh pullout 2V (our of an 02-05 Explorer preferably) and then just throw a supercharger at it. Tune it to 400-425 RWHP and the motor should be totally fine with that for awhile provided your tune is spot on. Then enjoy it and upgrade the rest of the car around it to handle the power.

Or if your current motor tests good on a leakdown, just boost that one. A 425whp 2V is nothing to sneeze at although it will get roflstomped by anything serious it will hold its own.
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Cars an 02 with 77k miles one owner 100% stock and 13 pages of service records so I think I have a good starting platform but damn money money money
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Like I said, welcome to hot rodding.

Your motor is just getting "broken in" IMO. If its a manual the first thing you want to do is a drain/fill on the transmission because it is likely still overfilled from the factory which causes windage problems. Correct fill is 3.2 quarts and fill through the shifter. While you are at it, replace the shifter with a MGW lol.

I would recommend building up the rest of the car suspension and chassis wise with all the "bolt ons" and then drop a blower onto it at the end.

-Subframes
-Midpipe/Catback
-4.10 gears
-Plenum/TB
-Lower control arms
-CC plates and lower the car 1.5"
-Good set of wheels/tires

Then fuel system and a blower or just buy the whole Vortech kit which comes with all that and a baseline tune for the computer although I'd get it re-burnt from a datalogging tuner or tuned locally on a dyno if you have one.

That's a 425hp, 11 second car that'll be a ton of fun, be reliable, sneak up on ppl who think "lol just a 2V" and you can look to building a motor on a stand in the garage yourself if you want or just get a roll cage installed when you get tossed off the track for going 11 seconds without one and then keep on enjoying it.
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My cars an auto wanted an auto because I was looking at the turbo path and turbos work better with autos. I have looked at the vortech kits but we have a hot rod place here one guys blown the other runs the on three kit his car is stock other than a converter and exhaust the blower mustang has cams intake exhaust gears and other mess and the turbo walks away from a dead from a roll dosnt matter that turbo passes him and keeps on walking away
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Auto is better for a 1/4 straight line car for sure but if you were looking for an auto New Edge you should have got an 04, they had upgraded automatics for that one year. However, the one you have will hold up ok at the 400hp level but I would not push it much more.

Look up the J-Mod on youtube (search "j-mod tccoa") and I would do that almost right off the bat. As far as the turbo, the On3 kits have come a long way but any front facing turbo kit is going to require a tubular K member so you need to factor that in when you look at a turbo. The S trim works real well with autos too and is a much easier and cost effective install but if you want a turbo look at the UPR K and the On3 kit on their website and remember the base kit is $2k but you'll spend closer to $3300 for it when all is said and done and that is before the K.
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Called mmr today looking for some steam and a new heart for my stang and I asked for about 450 to 500 hp and that bill hits the wallet at 8400.00 bucks!!!! Sweet lord!!!!!!
Thats why you just buy a coyote crate motor from american muscle for like 6.5k
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Thats why you just buy a coyote crate motor from american muscle for like 6.5k
And then the adapter harness for $1400, the accessory brackets for $700 and a bunch of other nickel/dime stuff. Its not cheaper if you buy the crate motor. It may be cheaper if you bought a used F150 Coyote for $2500 but there are differences from the GT motor that need to be addressed there too and then its used.
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Or just have your girlfriend tell you that the new 2015 mustang GT is sexy and demand that you get that. Even though it's not a family friendly car, like mine did.


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lol I've already been at the ford dealer lookig at the 15 but there's no way Iam paying that for a mustang and 2 years down the road it's worth less than half! I've had 7 mustangs thru the years and one things a certain they do not hold any resale value!!! Fo sho
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The only motor that's a direct drop in and go would be the terminator and you see what they sell for used!!!!
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Termi is overrated. Coyote is a faster motor all together.

440na coyote > 530 hp termi. Just saying

Here is 600hp, and one hiccup on a termi. My old one at that


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I agree about the coyote motor but your talking 10grand plus to make it work in an 2002 gt and here in North Carolina it has to pass emissions
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I agree about the coyote motor but your talking 10grand plus to make it work in an 2002 gt and here in North Carolina it has to pass emissions
You're talking about a ton of money for a modular that is built right too. People get into this hobby thinking they'll get a $6000 modular and then drop $1500 into it and it'll be keeping up with the big power cars... Now... that's not to say I have not seen some ppl find a straight V6 with a blown drivetrain for $800 and a wrecked Termi complete for $7k and just swap everything and then boom, new "Termi"... but lets be realistic, most ppl starting out are not going to be able to do that.

As far as passing emissions... as long as your state allows longtubes and isn't going to be crazy about the visual if all it has to do is pass a sniffer the Coyote will do that with flying colors.
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Termi is overrated. Coyote is a faster motor all together.

440na coyote > 530 hp termi. Just saying

Here is 600hp, and one hiccup on a termi. My old one at that


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That's actually how much it costs. Welcome to the world of hot rodding lol. Tally up how much it will cost to build a modular plus the cost of the car and the supporting mods to hold 500hp and you'll be over $20k no problem. Which is why it makes a lot of sense to look at a 2011-up used GT and not **** around with a modular. However, there are other factors such as insurance rates and having a fixed monthly payment vs a "pay as you go" and having something you built yourself.
Scotty i know you know this but i have to say it the 5.0 is a modular motor as well the only difference is the purchase price includes 400+ HP lol. Also be careful with that jmod you tube especially if you have a 97 or 98 its not exactly the same.

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500 horsepower turn key modular? $8400 is about right. Hell, even a supercharger kit alone is lik $3000 at the absolute cheapest. Rotating assembly that can handle that is gonna cost around $2500 for parts only. And then you have to get all the supporting mods and pay labor to do it and then the business still has to make money on it.

And if you're going NA its even worse
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I know I know Iam just use to the old fox bodies when a set of twisted wedge heads for the 5.0 where 1100 bucks not 2400!! Lol parts have gone up a ton since my last hot rods for sure!
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I know I know Iam just use to the old fox bodies when a set of twisted wedge heads for the 5.0 where 1100 bucks not 2400!! Lol parts have gone up a ton since my last hot rods for sure!

The value of the dollar has also gone down. It's still somewhat relative price wise.


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WOW!!!!!!!

And this is why I got into the new 5.0 it just wasn't going to be cost efficient to build the 4.6. Plus the s197 platform is going to be just as fun if not more fun to build as the 4.6 newedge was.


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Scotty i know you know this but i have to say it the 5.0 is a modular motor as well the only difference is the purchase price includes 400+ HP lol. Also be careful with that jmod you tube especially if you have a 97 or 98 its not exactly the same.

Trans Go has a good video specifically for Mustangs TransGo-Video Assistance
Transgo kits are not the greatest in the world... Yes the J-mod is different for different years, this is discussed and if one goes on the TCCOA forums the J-mod is discussed ad-nauseum. The J-Mod is also called the "J-Mod" because it was started by Jerry Wroblewski, who just so happened to be one of the chief engineers who designed the 4R70w transmission. J-Mod=Jerry's Mod and its been proven over and over and over and over to not only drastically increase transmission performance, but overall life expectancy as well.

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I know I know Iam just use to the old fox bodies when a set of twisted wedge heads for the 5.0 where 1100 bucks not 2400!! Lol parts have gone up a ton since my last hot rods for sure!
Yep but no having to buy an intake so subtract $550. Although an HCI Modular is real expensive and you don't really get very much. The PI heads flow pretty well anyway, more than enough to max out the stock rods with a starter supercharger.


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Eh... yes that is true but the modular is still way more expensive to build than the pushrod. Cam and pushrods for the old 5.0 is like $200 looking at the zillions of barely used OTS cams for sale on multiple classified forums and a new set of pushrods. Also way easier to work on, lighter and less moving parts.

That said, one of THE cheapest fox builds out there is a Modfox because there are any number of wrecked 96-98 cars out there right now for $500-$800 "you tow it away" and pick up a 4 banger fox with a good body and blown motor/trans/both for $800-$1500. Swap all the SN95 stuffs over, PI swap, aftermarket cams, bolt ons, driveline upgrades and a tune and you are out the door for $8-$10k and a 300-315rwhp 3000lb car all motor. Throw a 125 shot at it for weekends.
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After all this I truly don't know what Iam going to do at this point! I wish I had that kinda cash to kick around but those days are gone! Divorced..... Child support just bought a new house after 8 years single just got remarried and of course a hot rod interests her about as much as jumping on a bicycle with the seat missing! Love the mustang but at 41 years old I may have to grow up! Just a little!!! Lol
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Id live alone in an RV before I gave up on my own dreams. Owning a house kinda seems like a huge burden to me, like $250k for a box to sleep in and keep rain off me? Plus property tax and ****
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Id live alone in an RV before I gave up on my own dreams. Owning a house kinda seems like a huge burden to me, like $250k for a box to sleep in and keep rain off me? Plus property tax and ****

When you rent you're just giving your money away. After buying a home you at least have something to show for it down the road. But to each his own.


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Id live alone in an RV before I gave up on my own dreams. Owning a house kinda seems like a huge burden to me, like $250k for a box to sleep in and keep rain off me? Plus property tax and ****
Lol, I take it you've never owned an RV...

I know owning is not feasible for everyone and obviously not everyone qualifies right away (or ever). If you CAN afford to own and maintain a house and you choose to rent... IMO you're a chump. You can either pour your monthly income into paying off someone else's house or your own. Not to mention its a tax shelter and you don't have to worry about asking some rando permission to paint your own damn walls.
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Lol, I take it you've never owned an RV...

I know owning is not feasible for everyone and obviously not everyone qualifies right away (or ever). If you CAN afford to own and maintain a house and you choose to rent... IMO you're a chump. You can either pour your monthly income into paying off someone else's house or your own. Not to mention its a tax shelter and you don't have to worry about asking some rando permission to paint your own damn walls.
You cant own your own house. You can only purchase the right to rent it from the government. A lot of remodeling and adding on requires a permit, and you WILL lose rights to your house if you dont pay rent to the government (property taxes).

And yes I have owned an RV. I camp 3-4 days a week from May 1 to sept 29 Every year since I was born.

Im pretty sure the only reason people buy houses is for the stigma, especially the ones that dont even have a ****in garage. How useless
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I wouldn't rent either. Renting is even less wise than buying a house. Hence the RV. I will indeed have everything I want no matter what my income is. Its a question of whether or not I own a house and kids and wife in addition to my top priorities, which is doing whatever the F I want
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No, I just decide for myself what i want, as opposed to being told what I want. There are SO many better places for your money than a house. The freedom of not having 80% of your income going to a place to sleep would enable you to actually have enough money to make a worthwhile investment. if I cant pay a house at least 60% down, i consider that to be 41% over budget.
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