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Old 03-29-2015, 01:37 PM   #1
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Clutch slipping what clutch do y'all suggest?

I'm at 360-370rwhp on nto5rs my clutch slipped really bad in a 4500 rpm launch. What clutch do y'all suggest getting?


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This was the one I was going to put in my Roush once I installed a Vortech. Just make sure you get a Ford OEM throw out bearing and OEM clutch cable as well or you will have issues down the road. Click image for larger version

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I also need a 26 input spline upgrade anybody know where I can get just the 26 input shaft?


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Try Pro Force Performance in Atlanta. Or The3650source.com But for your power level you don't need it. The 10 spline is good for around 500hp.


As for a clutch... an Exedy Mach 400 is rated to 500ft lbs and its a good grippy clutch. Just make sure you get an OEM TOB and Pilot from the dealer.
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I was told I need input shaft upgrade since I'm on radials and launching at 4k-4500 rpm's on radials. People Said my 440rwtq would snap it if I launched and hooked.


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Ah, on drs, yes probably a good idea to do it while it's out regardless.

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I've got the Exedy 400, great clutch for the price

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If your clutch is slipping from too much power, you're gonna want to beef up your transmission a bit before you get a clutch that will transfer that much power to it. Clutch is a safeguard for your tranny
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If your clutch is slipping from too much power, you're gonna want to beef up your transmission a bit before you get a clutch that will transfer that much power to it. Clutch is a safeguard for your tranny

Not really... the T45 and 3650 can both handle more power than he is making and what he is making is more than the stock or a stock spec clutch can take.
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Not really... the T45 and 3650 can both handle more power than he is making and what he is making is more than the stock or a stock spec clutch can take.
I suppose. i read somewhere they were capable of 400 ft/lbs of torque. Torque is more relevant to transmissions.

For those that dont know, HP = TQ x RPM / 5252
So you could have a high HP engine with 200 ft/lbs of torque and it wouldn't abuse it. Unless it just flat out spun too fast
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I suppose. i read somewhere they were capable of 400 ft/lbs of torque. Torque is more relevant to transmissions.

For those that dont know, HP = TQ x RPM / 5252
So you could have a high HP engine with 200 ft/lbs of torque and it wouldn't abuse it. Unless it just flat out spun too fast
You probably read somewhere they are rated for 350. They've proven to be good up to when the input shaft pretzels off which is around 500ft lbs. Obviously, YMMV but they've got big internals that can take a lot of abuse. A simple 3650 rebuild with the updated stock internals and 26 spline shaft is good for a ****ton of power.
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I'm probably making 450rwtq on a really good dyno run.. Got any links to 26 spline input shaft? I'm probably gonna buy whatever "steal deals" I can find on eBay like I usually do for parts. I'm thinking McLeod clutch or stage 3 spec whichever I find I'm thinking stage 3 is more suitable for my power levels and launching?


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Can an exedy 400 handle my spirited driving?


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If I were you and was going with Exedy, to play it sage I might just go with the Exedy 500.

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Or just jump to the Mccleod rst. The Exedy 400 with the 11 inch flywheel is good for 500ft lbs though.

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At the flywheel is what it is rated I believe, but I'm
Not sure... I know when my motor goes I'll get it rebuilt might as well go with exedy 500 for in the future when I bump up hp shot.


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Now which fly wheel? Sr is $100, but is it any good? Kinda looking for something about $250 so I know it's at least some what good quality. 300-400 seems to much for flywheel.


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I'm gonna buy just the input shaft from Steve at pro-performance, get the exedy 500 then decide what flywheel start saving and collecting parts. Then by the end of the semester I should have the money to pay my buddy to do the labor for $400 they quoted me.

I was thinking about getting subframe connectors and torque box reinforcements. I want to be able to do a 4500 rpm clutch drop, hook, and not break anything. I already got the built 31 spline moser axles and a good diff.


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I'm gonna buy just the input shaft from Steve at pro-performance, get the exedy 500 then decide what flywheel start saving and collecting parts. Then by the end of the semester I should have the money to pay my buddy to do the labor for $400 they quoted me.

I was thinking about getting subframe connectors and torque box reinforcements. I want to be able to do a 4500 rpm clutch drop, hook, and not break anything. I already got the built 31 spline moser axles and a good diff.


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Thats gonna be sweet! does anybody know if the stock driveshaft assembly can handle that much of a launch? I have always wondered how much they can take
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Now which fly wheel? Sr is $100, but is it any good? Kinda looking for something about $250 so I know it's at least some what good quality. 300-400 seems to much for flywheel.


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Get an OEM flywheel off a Coyote crate motor. You can get them brand new for $100 if you bang around the classifieds on various forums. Its the same as a modular flywheel minus the dowel pins which you just punch out and install the correct stepped ones for your year.

If you want a futureproof clutch... might want to get the McCleod RST like I said. Pricey but its good for something like 750ft lbs and pedal feel is stock.


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I'm gonna buy just the input shaft from Steve at pro-performance, get the exedy 500 then decide what flywheel start saving and collecting parts. Then by the end of the semester I should have the money to pay my buddy to do the labor for $400 they quoted me.

I was thinking about getting subframe connectors and torque box reinforcements. I want to be able to do a 4500 rpm clutch drop, hook, and not break anything. I already got the built 31 spline moser axles and a good diff.


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Uh yeah you NEED to get that done. If you've been launching like you say at your power level with no subframes and stock boxes you may have already tweaked/broke something.
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Get an OEM flywheel off a Coyote crate motor. You can get them brand new for $100 if you bang around the classifieds on various forums. Its the same as a modular flywheel minus the dowel pins which you just punch out and install the correct stepped ones for your year.

If you want a futureproof clutch... might want to get the McCleod RST like I said. Pricey but its good for something like 750ft lbs and pedal feel is stock.




Uh yeah you NEED to get that done. If you've been launching like you say at your power level with no subframes and stock boxes you may have already tweaked/broke something.

Nope no damage my clutch was slipping to much right off the launch only got 2.1 60fts haha. Only thing I suspect is my lower control arm bushing may be blown out since my rear alignment is off a tad bit. I probably will get the $75 subframe off of UPR since they come with lower torque box enforcements.


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I totally forgot about the driveshaft.. Gosh dang you 2v and all your torque... anybody know if my stock driveshaft won't twist up on me like those twist chips? 2v = lots of stupid upgrades for such a low power level. Anything else I need to look into buying?


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Will a coyote flywheel fit the tr-3650?


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I totally forgot about the driveshaft.. Gosh dang you 2v and all your torque... anybody know if my stock driveshaft won't twist up on me like those twist chips? 2v = lots of stupid upgrades for such a low power level. Anything else I need to look into buying?


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Will a coyote flywheel fit the tr-3650?


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only other thing I can think of is double check on the axles. Did you alrady mention those? and keep an eye on fuel pressure. idk how much the EFI pump can flow.. cuz I doesnt has efi
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Axles are good. I made 6k launches on them from my other car. Only bad thing about my rearend it has a good whine when let off throttle. I have good fuel pressure. I watch my a/f. But anymore power I'm maxing out on my fuel pump duty cycle. I guess I'll have to google max power on stock driveshaft.


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And you are carb'd?


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Axles are good. I made 6k launches on them from my other car. Only bad thing about my rearend it has a good whine when let off throttle. I have good fuel pressure. I watch my a/f. But anymore power I'm maxing out on my fuel pump duty cycle. I guess I'll have to google max power on stock driveshaft.


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Yeah max power might not tell all though. Launching at 4500 and actualy hooking is going to send a really large impulse through the drivetrain lol.

Impulse = Force x Time
So... first we will find force
Force = mass x acceleration
Your 60' is gonna be like 1.7, so lets say your gonna be going 35mph after 60', (or 15.6 m/s for this equation) You're accelerating at 9.17 m/s^2 for that first 60 feet. Thats almost as fast as gravity, which is 9.8 m/s^2

1500kg car X 9.17ms/^2 = 13,755 Newtons

13,755 Newtons X 1.7 seconds = 23,384 Newtons of energy being transmitted through the driveshaft. about 5300 lbs of rotational force on your driveshaft lol

Thats like rapping a cable around it and using it as a pulley to pick up a chevy 1500 quad cab truck by spinning the shaft lol
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Sounds like I'll need a driveshaft also...


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How broke I'm gonna be the beginning of this summer < how much faster my car will be. It's worth it to me. I just want to get most kinks worked out.


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Yeah but I dont know what all these driveshafts can handle. I have zero idea how strong they are. Cold be no big deal at all for them tbh.

But yeah, I know what you're saying. The only thing money is useful for is empowering you to do what makes you happy. and basic necessities obviously.

I just got hired at a construction company though. I start working there at the end of the semester and they are giving me 90 hours peer week. I cannot wait. My last job like this gave me 85 per week, but for a lot less $$ per hour. Even at that job I was taking home $1000 every week. So with this job, I will be making some good money. Im gonna stay living with my parents for free and just have my grandpa invest all of my $$ for me. He has a knack for taking $20k and turning it into a small fortune. Its to the point where he makes more money each year from investing than he did as a project manager at fortune 500 engineering firm lol, so im gonna let him play with as much of my money as possible while he is still around and is sharp. And im not talking about the average joe "investing" where people just put their money in a CD or something lol. I think a CD stands for "Certainty of Depreciation" lol. They gain 1% value annually, which is nominal value. Real value terms, you lose 2% real value every year that your money is in a CD because money loses 3% value every year from inflation.
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Have you thought about going with slicks? With those kind of launches, I would think they would be a better option. I hear a lot that slicks are easier on the drivetrain. It sounds silly, but the radials have stiff sidewalls and I think that little bit of tire wrinkle provides a slightly more gradual grip.
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Have you thought about going with slicks? With those kind of launches, I would think they would be a better option. I hear a lot that slicks are easier on the drivetrain. It sounds silly, but the radials have stiff sidewalls and I think that little bit of tire wrinkle provides a slightly more gradual grip.

I have heard that also.

Slicks are one of the only ways to make your car faster and also treat your car more gently at the same time lol

Except rocket engines attached to a giant spoiler. it wud be some serious fast and furious badassery to have rocket boosters that launch when you're drag racing. Imagine all the girls you could get
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Said it before and I'll say it again, if he's worried about 1/4 mile times he really should be swapping to an auto with a good converter. At his power level it will probably drop half a second off his ET with no other changes. Well... once he gets subframes and a decent rear suspension in there.
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Okay so I ordered my McLeod super street 26 spline clutch waiting to order 26 spline input shaft since apparently everybody is out. What clutch quadrant should I go with? I doubt the plastic clutch adjuster can hold this clutch pressure.


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