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Old 03-30-2015, 09:00 PM   #1
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$1500 for suspension upgrades

Ok so I've got a bone stock 2003 GT and 1500 to blow on making this thing carve. I'm looking for suggestions on what to do. I want tight cornering but I don't want my drink in my lap 'cause I didn't notice the pebble I just ran over. Mostly I want to drop the body roll and get rid of the unsightly wheel gaps. I am open to saving a bit more to 2k. I don't plan on a lot of drag strip in my life but I like twisty roads. What do you guys suggest?


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Coilovers+cc plates, subframe connectors, lower control arms. Depending on which brands you go with you can get all that and possibly a panhard bar from MM. I'd look into all of Maximum motorsports stuff. They truly make an amazing product for Mustangs.
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Old 03-31-2015, 01:54 AM   #3
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$1500 for suspension upgrades

Subframe connectors
Lower control arms
Panhard bar
Torque arm

In that order ^^^^

That'll be around $1000-1500 depending if you need labor for anything....

After that:
Coilovers
Sway bars
Alignment (-1 to -1.5 degrees camber, and a tiny bit of positive castor..... Will go a long way)

That's about what I've got minus the sway bars and the car handles like a dream. Just autocrossed it yesterday and it felt great.




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Old 03-31-2015, 02:28 AM   #4
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Thoughts on the MM sports package?

http://www.maximummotorsports.com/19...-Box-P964.aspx




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It's good if you are after some easy handling. It won't have any height or stiffness adjustability, and it still retains the stock 4 link.

The torque arm converts the car over to a 3 link which gives a lot less bind than the 4 link. And the adjustability of coilovers is nice. I have their coilovers that use the KONI yellows. And ideally you want adjustable sway bars.



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Well I'm kinda in the wanna put this stuff on and forget about it except for normal maintenance camp. I don't need a tone of adjustability just want it not to nose dive so much, not role so much, be a bit lower, and just a bit more stiffness/response. I'm not going to be doing much competing any time soon just want it to be snappy on a twisty road and not worry the rear is going to walk on me funny. I do definitely want to lock that damn rear end down but MM says the panhard with lower control arms does that pretty effectively. I know these models have that ridiculous anti wheel hop deal on them, and I used to know what all had to be done to get rid of that but I can't remember.


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It's pretty easy to get the rear end planted. After I installed the Panhard bar, torque arm, and lower control arms it's been super planted. The car understeers more than anything.

If I was you I would leave the stock front sway bar and get an adjustable rear one. Then do the lower control arms, Panhard bar, and torque arm. Then you can do the shocks, struts and springs, or spend a little extra for coilovers if you want (being adjustable for height is also great so you can get the perfect stance you want)


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Ok story time. Body role freaks me way out. I killed my last stang because I went from driving a 3rd gen camaro which really doesn't have body role, or at least it doesn't feel like it does, to a stock 99 stang and tried to turn the same way. Anyway I came to a turn that I was used to taking at a fairly fast speed and the amount of role freaked me out and I tapped my breaks and lost it in the recovery from the unexpected power slide I suddenly found myself in and ended up upside down in a ditch. The upside down part was due to sliding through a thin tree line which caught the bottom of the car. Luckily I walked away with only a small cut on the back of my hand from a piece of glass when I was getting out of the car. I have had a semi irrational fear of body role ever since. I almost can't be in tall vehicles. So really above all else, I want to virtually eliminate body role. Besides that its just not that fun to experience a bunch of role, the lack of it is the one redeeming quality of my old camaro.


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The body roll is all in the stiffness of the springs.


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$1500 for suspension upgrades

Really? Ok then, so at a minimum I want super nice springs and struts/shocks (possibly coil overs just not sure I want the added cost of them given that its for functionality I'm unlikely to use unless there are cheaper ones I've not seen), subframe connectors, and lock down the rear with a rear sway bar, lower controls, panhard, and torque arm.


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Subframe connectors should be absolutely first on the list. Then the other parts you can do somewhat out of order. But the Panhard bar has to be in before the torque arm goes in.

Out of all my mods the Panhard bar made the most noticeable feel. It really secures the rear end.


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Wish I installed subframe connectors long ago before I sold the car. Still sitting in the garage and can't return them lol.


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Noted, so impact on ride:

Subframe connectors firm up chassis.

I'm still a hazy on what exactly the pan hard does. Connects the chassis with the rear end and keeps the two centered?

And torque/lower control arms to keep the rear from rotating contrary to the wheels. Now does the torque are replace the upper control arms, is that the idea?

Springs cut body role and force more even weight distribution and lower the car.

Struts/shocks to match the new ride height and castor cambers for alinement.

How do I determine if I need a bump steer?


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The Panhard bar keeps the axle centered. You don't see it when driving but the axle will literally go from side to side in the car in hard cornering. HUGE difference in feel. I noticed it just driving around the block normally right after install.

I wouldn't mess with bumpsteer. I haven't in my car and it drives fine and handles great.


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Here is an overlook of my suspension currently.



And here is my Autocross from Sunday. Handles like a dream, just has understeer issues. Can be fixed from a stiffer rear sway bar and same size tires all around.

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Well that will get it done. So new plan: MM full subframes, MM torque arm package (should I upgrade the control arms or are MM standard duties ok?), koni STR.T struts and shocks, and what kind of springs would you suggest? I'd coil-over convert but good god prices for a conversation kit are insane...


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Well that will get it done. So new plan: MM full subframes, MM torque arm package (should I upgrade the control arms or are MM standard duties ok?), koni STR.T struts and shocks, and what kind of springs would you suggest? I'd coil-over convert but good god prices for a conversation kit are insane...


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Look into H&R supersport springs. And the standard duty is fine on lower control arms


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Mk, just wasn't getting a lot of info from the MM site on any of their springs. They have no parts description for even their own springs...


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The Panhard bar keeps the axle centered. You don't see it when driving but the axle will literally go from side to side in the car in hard cornering. HUGE difference in feel. I noticed it just driving around the block normally right after install.

I wouldn't mess with bumpsteer. I haven't in my car and it drives fine and handles great.


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My car had some bad bump steer after my IRS swap lowered me more.

OP if you're looking to reduce body roll springs and sway bars will do that. You won't need a bump steer kit or Steeda X2 balljoints until you get into the 2"+ drop range. As far as suspension mods, Soccer has it nailed down pretty good with his suggestions, I personally went a different route with an IRS swap and it handled phenomenally.
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A well built SRA can handle damn well on a smooth track. Under bumpy conditions IRS will perform a bit better and be more comfy.


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