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Old 06-18-2015, 12:24 PM   #1
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Help: Building/Expectations Of FI 2v

So i made this thread too gain some insight and guessestimation on pricing for a 425-460 ish DD 2v (Manual) for me and a buddy. Because we just dont see or hear of any recent 2vs DD making that much.

He was Saying that i wouldnt make that much and the Rods will blow at 400. I was telling him if you dont half *** it and sacrifice another 1-2k i could drive on 450Hp all day no issues. And eventually we both want a termi since my pops just got one it fueled the fire. How would u guys suggest on going about building a 450Hp 2v WITHOUT dumping too much money(we both were speaking from the perspective of buying used Kits).


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Old 06-18-2015, 12:56 PM   #2
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The short answer is you can't. Things for the 2v add up in price and don't add up much HP and Tq.


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Old 06-18-2015, 01:38 PM   #3
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A stock block can handle 425ish to the wheels. You can acheive this with bolt ons, fuel system upgrade, and a used vortech kit. Get it tuned right and you should be ok at 425 whp DD.

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Better have some suspension in there too or youll never hook not even close.

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Suspension is understood but what do you mean the block can handle 425 theres plenty vids on youtube on the stock block making 500+


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Steve is referring to the stock rotating assembly. And that is where you will run into trouble trying to make these engines handle more than mid to low 400 hp, on a budget.
You can do around 425-450 with the addition of a supercharger, and a prayer, but anything over that will require a forged rotating assembly (pistons, rods, crankshaft) to safely handle the power.
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:21 PM   #6
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So really whats being said is 2v are hopeless basically without rebuilding the whole car so it can actually hold power u might as well Termi Swap


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Videos you see on youtube of them going 500... That's a motor that will not be reliable or last. The rods are the weak point.

Cheap/Fast/Reliable

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So really whats being said is 2v are hopeless basically without rebuilding the whole car so it can actually hold power u might as well Termi Swap


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"Hopeless" is kind of a strong word to describe a 2v.
A Termi swap is another way to solve the problem but you would be swapping in all used components as opposed to a freshly built 2v. And if you did want to put together a 2v for as little money as possible, you could just use forged rods and pistons but leave the original cast crankshaft.
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Um, safely tuned stock motor at 400-425hp is fine. That said a supercharger, fuel system and tune is not "cheap" but not exactly crazy money either.

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Coyote swap

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I heard there was alot of ecu and driveability issues with a coyote swap and tbh if i had the money too id just termi swap with some PI heads and be good too go but yea it seems the 2v build is kinda like pointless for me and him too do alot of money put in without respectable gains


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I heard there was alot of ecu and driveability issues with a coyote swap and tbh if i had the money too id just termi swap with some PI heads and be good too go but yea it seems the 2v build is kinda like pointless for me and him too do alot of money put in without respectable gains


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1 - What you heard about the Coyote ECU and driveability is from like... 4 years ago when the kits first became available. Those have loooooooooong since been sorted.

2 - The Coyote is much more capable than the Termi motor.

3 - You damn sure can build a 2V to get huge gains. Not sure why you think that is not the case. Build the bottom end and port the heads or go TFS. Not exactly any more expensive than the other options.

If you think you are going to get huge power on the cheap then you might want to go actually price everything out for all swaps. $6k for a clean New Edge and to get a 500-600 reliable HP you are going to be into it for another $10-$15k depending on what you buy. Same deal with the Termi or Coyote swap.

Best budget bet is a supercharger and a low mileage stock motor and tune it safely and keep the RPM under 6k. Car will be very fast and fun on the street and with the right overall setup you can do a LOT with 400whp.
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For the price to build a 2v to handle 450whp you can put in a coyote and do basic bolt ons and have 400whp and still be faster.


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Tune and off road x is all you need to break 400 on a coyote through a manual.

Your looking at a pretty $ for what you want

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For the price to build a 2v to handle 450whp you can put in a coyote and do basic bolt ons and have 400whp and still be faster.


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Or you can get a deal like I did lol. Even though I'm still going to run a stock motor for the time being.
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Ill look into the coyote swap into a 2v but like i said we wanna make them our dailys and wed/fri/sat neck breakers we actually know guys selling stock coyote motors for under 5k but any links you guys can provide would be great


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