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Old 07-17-2015, 06:25 PM   #36
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What's the difference between the turbo cams, cams, and blower cams??


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Turbo cams are optimized for turbo charging your engine. Blower cams are optimized for supercharging your engine. N/A cams are optimized for staying N/A. Nitrous cams are optimized for nitrous but are usually a meaner version of N/A cam.


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Old 07-17-2015, 06:49 PM   #38
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I guess it's pretty straight forward what they mean 😂. Would it be an issue to get cams for supercharging without supercharging?? Because it'd be another year or two before I supercharge it probably


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Old 07-17-2015, 06:51 PM   #39
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That you will have to ask the manufacturer. Some of their grinds may not be drivable without the extra air the supercharger provides.


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Old 07-17-2015, 06:56 PM   #40
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Gotcha, so for cams what else do you need to upgrade to support em?? I know you said something about heads??


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Old 07-17-2015, 07:01 PM   #41
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It's always a good time to upgrade the valve springs. Heads will give you a small bump in Hp and Tq. Check out http://www.modularheadshop.com
The put together a great head package and it's all bolt up and go. They put together packages cheaper than most out there and have a great reputation.


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Old 07-17-2015, 07:05 PM   #42
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NPI, PI, or TFS heads?? And Scotty said something about rods as well with cams (don't quote me on that, in trying to remember what he said)


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Old 07-17-2015, 07:12 PM   #43
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Boss rods and forged Pistons, went back and checked. But is that what I'd need as well for cams??
* I don't want to do stuff that'll put to much strain on the engine and make it last shorter.


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Old 07-17-2015, 07:17 PM   #44
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If you want to budget build the bottom rotating assembly you can get the parts he listed in post #32. Thats a good budget combo that will hold up to the breaking point of the cast crank. You have PI heads. If you get any of the listed heads they will be built to handle whatever level you buy. Stockmods are for lightly modded, stage 1 are more modifications etc...


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Old 07-17-2015, 07:25 PM   #45
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Okay sweet, so here's a list of what I think I'm gonna get

Cushman cams (unsure the specifics yet)
Boss rods
Forged Pistons
Head package
Edelbrock intake
Valve springs
*Possible throttle body
Cam gears
And either a rebuild kit or cheap low mileage 4.6

Anything else I'd need or want to replace??


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---------- Post added at 12:25 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:25 AM ----------

And the fuel rail and 24lb injectors


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Old 07-17-2015, 07:41 PM   #46
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Modular head shop has the eddy intake package for a great price all you need to add is injectors.


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Old 07-17-2015, 07:44 PM   #47
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That's even better lol


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Old 07-17-2015, 08:08 PM   #48
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If you get the eddy kit from them. Make sure to purchase the return less style fuel system


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Old 07-17-2015, 08:27 PM   #49
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Okay, I'll put that on the list too lol


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Old 07-17-2015, 10:01 PM   #50
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I would keep the PI intake. For NA or even with a mild blower setup, its better than the Eddy. Only reason I am kicking around the Eddy is because I plan on eventually putting a built motor in. Problem is... the PI is $200 or so shipped with the AM forum discount. Eddy is 3x that much once you factor in the fuel rails and the plenum/adapter. I'd stick with the PI for now.
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Old 07-17-2015, 10:15 PM   #51
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Should I Stick with the throttle body I have as well and just do the 24lb injectors?? ( the throttle body I have is trick flow 75mm)


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AM says the GT pistons can handle up to 450flywheel hp, should I still get forged ones??


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Old 07-18-2015, 12:01 PM   #53
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Don't listen to AM for building advice. If you are doing pistons then a least get a $500 set of manleys.


Again, for what you are doing a stock replacement motor is probably going to be a better option.

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Old 07-18-2015, 12:09 PM   #54
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DSS racing sells a package of H-beam rods and forged Pistons with x grooved skirts for $999. They have what they call SX and GSX Pistons, both forged but the GSX are lighter and have the x grooved skirts.


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Old 07-18-2015, 12:12 PM   #55
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An I've decided on the patriot stage 2 heads and cushman cams (gotta call them to find out what would be best for my setup though)

Also, you said the Vic timing covers aren't the same, so is there a lot of stuff that isn't the same between the two or will a Vic motor fit just like the one I have now??


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Old 07-18-2015, 12:17 PM   #56
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And how many miles would be good for what I'm gonna do?? I found one with 84k??


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Old 07-18-2015, 12:23 PM   #57
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Get lower.


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Old 07-18-2015, 02:13 PM   #58
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If you are doing cams and heads it's really not that hard only thing you may need help on is deferring cams and doing the valve springs.


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Old 07-18-2015, 02:14 PM   #59
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An I've decided on the patriot stage 2 heads and cushman cams (gotta call them to find out what would be best for my setup though)

Also, you said the Vic timing covers aren't the same, so is there a lot of stuff that isn't the same between the two or will a Vic motor fit just like the one I have now??


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Patriot is still in business? Iirc they were bought out a few years back. Maybe a diff company or the company that bought them brought back the brand? Either way id recommend MHS for head porting. Or just buy the trick flows and never have to worry about heads again.

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Old 07-18-2015, 02:21 PM   #60
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Ya, I might need some help but my bosses family owns a restoration shop so he said he can help me with anything I'll need except the tune with the cams. An I'm not sure about the brand Scotty, I just know there was a website on patriot heads lol. Mind sending me a link to what you advise head wise??


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These guys do the best heads for the 4.6L IMO.

Modular Head Shop

Granted, there are a lot of local shops out there, I'm not saying that no local shop is as good but as far as the "known" porters that have a national business, I'd go with these guys every time. Stage 2 MHS heads will support 700hp with a power adder.

That said, I still don't know why you are doing a build if all you want is 300hp... The stock motor will support that with a set of cams.
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Eventually I'd like to do more to get more hp but right now I don't have the money to.


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Old 07-18-2015, 04:39 PM   #63
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Lol then if you are strapped for cash you are going to want to do a stock motor swap. A higher HP rebuild is in the $5k range by the time you are done vs $500 for a pullout. And then another $1k or so to get cams in.

And are you sure your current motor is toast?
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Even if the stock motor is messed up get some stock mod heads and slap those on. I doubt the bottom end is toast


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The motor isn't toast at all, everything I want is about 4300 so far, an I'm fine with that. It just has 167k on it an I don't want to put all this money in it and then it go to ****. I've decided on going with a low mileage 4.6 pullout.


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So any progress on the rebuild?


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