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Old 07-24-2015, 01:05 PM   #1
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I'm looking to eventually push at least 340 in my 01 GT( currently have 270 with intake and throttle body) but i've been told that 4.6's are really hard to make power with so i've had a lot of different ideas on how to do it. That's why i'm asking that because i'm at too many crossroads on what to do. Anything honestly helps and money's not an issue, I work full time and am 18.


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I'm looking to eventually push at least 340 in my 01 GT( currently have 270 with intake and throttle body) but i've been told that 4.6's are really hard to make power with so i've had a lot of different ideas on how to do it. That's why i'm asking that because i'm at too many crossroads on what to do. Anything honestly helps and money's not an issue, I work full time and am 18.


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Your best bet to get any thing over 300 and cheapest is to either run Nitrous or boost it. Don't bother with doing cams on a 2V because in all reality for almost the same amount of money you could of bought a Vortech off some one and made way more power. Quite a few even on this forum have gotten into a supercharger out the door for under 3K. If you get every thing your self second hand or some things even new you can do it for very cheap.

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If you just have intake and throttle body you're more like at 230rwhp. Maybe 270 crank horsepower. It takes intake, throttle body, plenum, longtubes headers, mid-pipes, car back, under drive pulleys, and tune to make 260rwhp with heads and cam 300-320rwhp.. Full Bolt one will cost you maybe $2,500 and you can be at 300-320rwhp or you can just buy a supercharger kit for $4k or a nitrous kit for $600 and be at up to 400rwhp.


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Lol yeah if you are "370" with just 2 mods I want to see the car and dyno sheet.. I've got everything speed mentioned other than aftermarket heads and I'm only 364 rwhp if you have the money then get some kinda boost.. I'm building mine n/a first as much as I can and beefing the internals then gonna procharge it
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I'm looking to eventually push at least 340 in my 01 GT( currently have 270 with intake and throttle body) but i've been told that 4.6's are really hard to make power with so i've had a lot of different ideas on how to do it. That's why i'm asking that because i'm at too many crossroads on what to do. Anything honestly helps and money's not an issue, I work full time and am 18.


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Let's clear up a few things.....

Engine power does not matter, just wheel power. You make 260 to the flywheel stock, so it's around 230 to the wheels stock. An intake and throttle body probably won't do anything if you don't have a tune, so your are most likely still around 230 to the wheel.

A full bolt on and tuned 4.6 2v usually makes around 260 to the wheels, anything more than that you basically need heads, cams, boost or spray.


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Should have all the info you need we said which way is cheapest and how to achieve your goal. 👍🏼 good luck


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Yeah I wasnt talking rwhp by the way and everything helped! Thanks! Quick question though, would it matter what bolt ons I get if I got a supercharger? Like would certain bolt ons have to be taken off because of it?


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Some cams work better with superchargers and nos and some stuff needs to line up but that's a question for the experts
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What if I got a brand new 5.0 4V Engine? It's a solid 6,250$ for the engine and I can do the instal with my Dad in his garage. Is it worth saving every car savings dollar I make to get it within the year or next?


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STD #'s read high and mobile dynos almost always give out false #'s

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What if I got a brand new 5.0 4V Engine? It's a solid 6,250$ for the engine and I can do the instal with my Dad in his garage. Is it worth saving every car savings dollar I make to get it within the year or next?


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Look up Soccerluvr4's coyote swap thread, it's been bumped fairly recently. A Coyote swap is gonna run in the $10k-$15k range pretty quickly but will be a badass ride when it's all said and done.

Being so young (and having had the same thoughts when I was that age as well) take the time to really hash out what you want out of the car and how realistically you think that can be achieved. Personally, before I even think about a coyote swap or a blower, I would take a serious look at my suspension and tires to make sure I can get the power to the ground.
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Yeah I wasnt talking rwhp by the way and everything helped! Thanks! Quick question though, would it matter what bolt ons I get if I got a supercharger? Like would certain bolt ons have to be taken off because of it?


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What if I got a brand new 5.0 4V Engine? It's a solid 6,250$ for the engine and I can do the instal with my Dad in his garage. Is it worth saving every car savings dollar I make to get it within the year or next?


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Yeah.
Double that $6250 and you will be a lot closer to the actual cost of the swap.
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My buddy Kirk has a procharger on his 01. Bought the head unit used for $900 and built the rest of the kit with random parts. Upgraded his fuel system. Motor already had cams and long tube headers. Once he had it all together and tuned the car makes 426rwhp.

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Currently, i'm replacing a lot of the old suspension parts and i'm working on really caring for the car. Most of the replies really helped me make up my mind and realistically bolt ons and appearance mods will be my go to's. I'd rather have a ton of mods in the car over one single blower. I'll just keep messing around with the various small things that'll give me some gains and just enjoy my car until I get a newer 5.0(2-4 years from now). Any thoughts on apperance? So far I want chrome 19 Saleen's, blue stripes, and the roush bumper


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Out of your list that's what I'd do but thats just my personal opinion. I'd do wheels, lower it, and slap a mach one lip on it
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I have a Mach 1 Lip on it atm but my bumper has stress marks from an accident the previous owner got into which is why I want a new one


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Just ordered the Mach 1 lip and the super dark headlights from am. Have a spoiler delete as well as lowering springs. Also have those matte black fender stripes coming in. Just think lowered these cars look great and with the spoiler delete is just works with the body lines of the car.


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Need help gaining power!

Me personally id rathar have the blower and make 380-450 rwhp (pending on mods) then to have a bunch of stuff costing over 3k and still get clowned on by a stock ls1 car, a blower, some suspension and a good tire will put a smile on ur face everytime u get on it the sound and feeling of boost is orgasmic lol, im in a vortech kit and have everything i said but a good tire so i still spin 1-2 but 3rd pulls like a fright train, i barrowed a buddies mt et streets off his mustang and my car hooks on the street its fast enough that i can put a 100$ bill on dash and u prolly cant get it (with the et streets on it)


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I'm looking to eventually push at least 340 in my 01 GT( currently have 270 with intake and throttle body) but i've been told that 4.6's are really hard to make power with so i've had a lot of different ideas on how to do it. That's why i'm asking that because i'm at too many crossroads on what to do. Anything honestly helps and money's not an issue, I work full time and am 18.


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I read last night a 3v head will bolt on to a 2v block, you have to change induction and a couple other things. Since the 2005 3v motor made 300hp stock, would that be a way to bump up a 2v motor?


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I read last night a 3v head will bolt on to a 2v block, you have to change induction and a couple other things. Since the 2005 3v motor made 300hp stock, would that be a way to bump up a 2v motor?


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It's a little more than just a head and induction swap. Computer sensors and tune will all have to be converted over. Also your getting into a cylinder head with spark plugs that like to break off in the head. I've seen more issues with that and phasers while working at Ford here.

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Boost or spray, I'd pick boost personally. Being nitrous has one major flaw, it runs out.


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What kind of mpg loss would you experience running a supercharged set up? Just planning the future of my car and how to make power out of its 2v. But my car will always be a daily driver with lots of highway miles.


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More air = more fuel.

With a supercharger mpg should stay around the same if you are out of boost. When you enter boost mpg goes down the toilet.


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"More power" out of a 2V=power adder.

Besides exhaust, gears and a tune... nothing else is really going to do anything for you NA in the power dept. Suspension is the big ticket thing with the 04-down cars that ALWAYS gets overlooked. Dunno how many "4x4" cars you see out there will all sorts of useless bolt ons and the dude driving it thinks he's fast as hell.

NA 2V mod list should really be:

-Mid pipe
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-Good set of wheels tires (Mickeys or BFGs)
-MPT 93 Octane (or 91 if that's all you can get) remote tune
-Add a wideband gauge if you have a tune
-Shifter for stick or a converter/jmod for auto

After that its either a power adder with a fuel system to support it or drive it as is. Cosmetics obviously are going to be subjective but just FYI, saleens are played out as hell and I would not recommend chrome rims for a daily driver.

It only takes a very few things to make a 99-04 car look GREAT and even the 94-98 cars can look really really good with the right exterior mods. My old blue 98 was one of the best looking 04-down cars I've ever seen and I'm not just saying that.
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with my setup I get 328 rwhp but I have 10.2:1 compression because I had my heads shaved a few thousands when I had them ported. I have a low mile spare block from a junk yard sitting in my garage I am getting ready to install a 5.3 stroker kit into I just picked up for 1100 bucks(forged everything except crank). No idea what to expect power wise from it but should add some serious torque.
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I'm looking to eventually push at least 340 in my 01 GT( currently have 270 with intake and throttle body) but i've been told that 4.6's are really hard to make power with so i've had a lot of different ideas on how to do it. That's why i'm asking that because i'm at too many crossroads on what to do. Anything honestly helps and money's not an issue, I work full time and am 18.


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Just an idea but if you want more power just sell your current ride and step down 2 cylinders to the 3.7. The manual makes around 270 rwhp right from jump. 40 more rwhp than your current one and that's completely stock.

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Just an idea but if you want more power just sell your current ride and step down 2 cylinders to the 3.7. The manual makes around 270 rwhp right from jump. 40 more rwhp than your current one and that's completely stock.

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I have to agree with this and for the price they are at now... Sub $15k for a real nice 11/12 sixxer that is going to be much faster and get 30+mpg. The Cyclone is still overcoming the "lol v6 mustang" stigma from the previous generations and will be for some time even after it goes OOP for the Ecoboost. It is a crazy badass little engine and a 11+ V6 is a "GT" in any previous generation and improved from even the 3V IMO.

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I have to agree with this and for the price they are at now... Sub $15k for a real nice 11/12 sixxer that is going to be much faster and get 30+mpg. The Cyclone is still overcoming the "lol v6 mustang" stigma from the previous generations and will be for some time even after it goes OOP for the Ecoboost. It is a crazy badass little engine and a 11+ V6 is a "GT" in any previous generation and improved from even the 3V IMO.

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I'd just enjoy the GT and pay it off , once you get a little older sell it and buy a 03-04 Cobra.

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^ Better yet keep the GT for a daily and have the terminator for nice days.


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