Gains? - Mustang Evolution

Go Back   Mustang Evolution > 1979-2015 Mustang GT || Tech and Talk > 1996-2004 Mustang GT



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them here!
Old 09-08-2015, 02:58 PM   #1
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Laplace
Region: Louisiana
Posts: 22
Gains?

I was wondering what kind of power gains I'd see if I did the following mods: cai, professional products typhoon mainfold, plenum and throttle body, steeda underdrive pulley, stage 1 cam, off road x pipe, pypes bomb cat back and e85

Sent from my SM-N910V using Mustang Evolution mobile app
dee_gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 09-08-2015, 03:07 PM   #2
Registered Member
Regular
 
Panther140's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: xxx
Region: Other
Posts: 1,473
Probably will not gain any power with that setup.


If you skip the E85, you will probably gain (+/-)40 wheel horsepower if you tune the setup.


E85 is for high compression and boosted setups. the fuel is actually 20%weaker than gasoline in terms of energy density, but it has really high stability (octane).
Panther140 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2015, 03:16 PM   #3
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Laplace
Region: Louisiana
Posts: 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Panther140 View Post
Probably will not gain any power with that setup.


If you skip the E85, you will probably gain (+/-)40 wheel horsepower if you tune the setup.


E85 is for high compression and boosted setups. the fuel is actually 20%weaker than gasoline in terms of energy density, but it has really high stability (octane).
Well yea i was gonna get a dyno tune of course

Sent from my SM-N910V using Mustang Evolution mobile app
dee_gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 09-08-2015, 03:19 PM   #4
Registered Member
Regular
 
retiredvet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: union
Region: Kentucky
Posts: 252
Id watch out for that intake. Its in my sig but 2 weeks ago I was sitting in Louisville traffic and heard a high pitched taaaaang shortly after I was smelling sweet antifreeze. It just randomly fractured my ait was 142 my oil temp was 180 and my fluid temp was 190. Lasted all of 9 months. Plastic one is back on

Sent from my LG-D415 using Mustang Evolution mobile app
__________________
03 GT 13.4 @ 117MPH best 2v 4.6 w/ auto
Check out my Garage info for what I am installing at this moment~
retiredvet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2015, 03:22 PM   #5
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Laplace
Region: Louisiana
Posts: 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by retiredvet View Post
Id watch out for that intake. Its in my sig but 2 weeks ago I was sitting in Louisville traffic and heard a high pitched taaaaang shortly after I was smelling sweet antifreeze. It just randomly fractured my ait was 142 my oil temp was 180 and my fluid temp was 190. Lasted all of 9 months. Plastic one is back on

Sent from my LG-D415 using Mustang Evolution mobile app
Well damn smh thanks

Sent from my SM-N910V using Mustang Evolution mobile app
dee_gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2015, 03:58 PM   #6
Registered Member
Regular
 
Panther140's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: xxx
Region: Other
Posts: 1,473
What duration, overlap, and lift on the cam are you going for? "stage 1" is not very descriptive other than the fact its probably mild. What are you degreeing your cams at? Does your strategy for degreeing the cam match the strategy that the intake manifold is going for? (Low vs. High rpm power)
Panther140 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2015, 08:27 PM   #7
ME Bloodhound
Staff
 
Soccerluvr4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Sacramento/Bay Area
Region: California
Posts: 14,672
Quote:
Originally Posted by Panther140 View Post
Probably will not gain any power with that setup.


If you skip the E85, you will probably gain (+/-)40 wheel horsepower if you tune the setup.


E85 is for high compression and boosted setups. the fuel is actually 20%weaker than gasoline in terms of energy density, but it has really high stability (octane).

Even with E85 he will still get the same gains. Yes it has less energy than gasoline, but the way you said it sounded like he will lose power with E85, which is not the case. You still get the increased cooling and timing. Won't be as beneficial as a FI car. But it will still benefit him.


Bullitts are better than Bullets
__________________

Bullitt build paused pending graduation

HID end all thread
Soccerluvr4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2015, 09:49 AM   #8
Staff
Regular
Staff
 
scottydsntknow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: JB MDL
Region: New Jersey
Posts: 16,605
Quote:
Originally Posted by dee_gt View Post
I was wondering what kind of power gains I'd see if I did the following mods: cai, professional products typhoon mainfold, plenum and throttle body, steeda underdrive pulley, stage 1 cam, off road x pipe, pypes bomb cat back and e85

Sent from my SM-N910V using Mustang Evolution mobile app
CAI-Pretty much looks only, the factory intake tubing is already a CAI

PP Intake-Chinese **** intake that will just add weight and heat soak to your motor. Not to mention it does not flow any better than the stock intake. The stock intake is actually a really really really good intake minus the warpage that happens to old plastic after awhile but they are cheap and easy to replace with a new one.

Plenum and TB- Worth doing but gains are minimal. Best combo for the money is the TFS plenum on LRS for $109 and then the Summit 75mm TB for $159.

Pullies-Very minimal gains if any, another looks mod more than anything.

Cams- Expensive as in $1200-$1500 installed or about $1k DIY. Car will need a tune too. This should be the last thing you do if you are staying NA and after all your suspension work is done too.

OR Pipe- Will free up some power but make sure you are in an area where cops will not care as it is a federal offense to remove cats from a vehicle that came with them. Doesn't matter what your state says. The UPR pipe is actually a really good piece OR or catted. They are made in Florida as well so USA made ftw.

Pypes Anything- Sketchy fit and all made in China with really cheap stainless. There are better kits out there.


For initial bolt ons for a 2V it should look like:


-Basic Tune up (COP rebuild, Autolite 104 plugs, fluids etc...)
-Mid Pipe and Catback
-Shifter for manual or J-Mod for auto
-4.10s
-Plenum/TB
-Tuner
-Lower control arms, CC plates, lowering springs/shocks/struts
-Good wheel and tire setup


If you absolutely can't stand the way the stock air inlet tube looks, get the JLT.


Also be very aware that a good 50% (probably more) of things that claim to add X amount of HP to your ride in Mustangland either grossly exaggerate or flat out don't add any. Like when a BBK CAI claims 8whp. No.
__________________
2000 Mustang GT Steeda #0048

Just because I give you advice, doesn't mean I know more than you. Its just means I've done more stupid ****.
scottydsntknow is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2015, 12:15 PM   #9
Registered Member
Regular
 
Mustang8606's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Riley
Region: Kansas
Posts: 20
Scotty, I noticed you didn't mention anything about long tubes.
Mustang8606 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2015, 03:21 PM   #10
Registered Member
Regular
 
jeno's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: san antonio texas
Posts: 1,069
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustang8606 View Post
Scotty, I noticed you didn't mention anything about long tubes.
Lol

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
jeno is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2015, 03:33 PM   #11
Staff
Regular
Staff
 
scottydsntknow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: JB MDL
Region: New Jersey
Posts: 16,605
Long.... tubes...?
__________________
2000 Mustang GT Steeda #0048

Just because I give you advice, doesn't mean I know more than you. Its just means I've done more stupid ****.
scottydsntknow is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2015, 06:52 PM   #12
Registered Member
Regular
 
Mustang8606's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Riley
Region: Kansas
Posts: 20
Hahaha, long tubes. Extremely thick steel. You can't make that s**t up
Mustang8606 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2015, 07:39 PM   #13
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 255
Gears, gears... Oh, and did I say gears? (:


Sent from my iPhone using Mustang Evolution
wawanesa5speed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2015, 07:37 AM   #14
Registered Member
Regular
 
thyreaper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 328
Gains?

Long tubes are a real pita and for the money spent on a good set i could put in cams and gain alot more... Cuz most longtubes that are under 600-700 will either rust away or will have problems fitting them and for 700-1000$ for 8-14 rwhp just isnt worth it for me, only how id ever do them is when there is literally nothing else to do to the car.. Which prolly wont happen the life of the car will be so degraded and ill be walking with a cane before that happens lol


Sent from my iPhone using Mustang Evolution
thyreaper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2015, 08:23 AM   #15
Staff
Regular
Staff
 
scottydsntknow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: JB MDL
Region: New Jersey
Posts: 16,605
Stock manifolds are fine unless you are sticking NA and going with ported or aftermarket heads. For a power adder... well the Termi guys usually don't swap out the stock manifolds until they go to a better supercharger if that tells you anything.
__________________
2000 Mustang GT Steeda #0048

Just because I give you advice, doesn't mean I know more than you. Its just means I've done more stupid ****.
scottydsntknow is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2015, 10:12 AM   #16
Registered Member
Regular
 
Mustang8606's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Riley
Region: Kansas
Posts: 20
Ford did a pretty good job engineering the new edge.
Mustang8606 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2015, 10:18 AM   #17
Staff
Regular
Staff
 
scottydsntknow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: JB MDL
Region: New Jersey
Posts: 16,605
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustang8606 View Post
Ford did a pretty good job engineering the new edge.
Eh... they did a good job with the supporting cast for the PI motor as far as not needing many "bolt ons". The NPI was a joke performance wise although the 4V was always good.

The SN95/Edge itself is just a refresh of the Fox/Fairmont chassis and there were manual transmission issues pretty much every year except for 99/00 and early 01 with the GT. 05 was when they finally brought the car out of the 70s.
__________________
2000 Mustang GT Steeda #0048

Just because I give you advice, doesn't mean I know more than you. Its just means I've done more stupid ****.
scottydsntknow is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2015, 09:38 PM   #18
Registered Member
Regular
 
Panther140's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: xxx
Region: Other
Posts: 1,473
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottydsntknow View Post
.. the 4V was always good. //// there were manual transmission issues pretty much every year except for 99/00 and early 01 with the GT. 05 was when they finally brought the car out of the 70s
You literally just listed every major reason I have a 99 cobra instead of an 05 GT haha. Especially the last one. I don't really like the direction they took that car, from an electromechanical standpoint. Plus they upgraded the interior- which is a waste of money they should have spent on reliability and handling.

The newer ones with the yote are cool though. I might own one if it had an eternal warranty on all transducers.
Panther140 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2015, 10:21 PM   #19
Staff
Regular
Staff
 
scottydsntknow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: JB MDL
Region: New Jersey
Posts: 16,605
I thought I was making a case FOR the 05+... I dunno.

Eh, the interior is a big deal to the majority of ppl especially the bulk V6 purchasers that keep the V8 afloat. And the 3V is reliable and they DID vastly improve handling in 05.

Only "bad" thing about the 05-10 cars is that the 3V is not exactly a world beater. That got fixed in 11. And, IMO, the 05-09 cars can be some of the, if not THE best looking of all the latemodel Mustangs. For me its a toss up between the 05-09, the 10-12 and the New Edge as far as looks.
__________________
2000 Mustang GT Steeda #0048

Just because I give you advice, doesn't mean I know more than you. Its just means I've done more stupid ****.
scottydsntknow is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2015, 10:30 PM   #20
Registered Member

Regular
 
natestang07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Soap Lake
Region: Washington
Posts: 5,321
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottydsntknow View Post
I thought I was making a case FOR the 05+... I dunno.

Eh, the interior is a big deal to the majority of ppl especially the bulk V6 purchasers that keep the V8 afloat. And the 3V is reliable and they DID vastly improve handling in 05.

Only "bad" thing about the 05-10 cars is that the 3V is not exactly a world beater. That got fixed in 11. And, IMO, the 05-09 cars can be some of the, if not THE best looking of all the latemodel Mustangs. For me its a toss up between the 05-09, the 10-12 and the New Edge as far as looks.
07-09 Gt500 is the best lookingk
natestang07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2015, 06:20 AM   #21
Staff
Regular
Staff
 
scottydsntknow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: JB MDL
Region: New Jersey
Posts: 16,605
Quote:
Originally Posted by natestang07 View Post
07-09 Gt500 is the best lookingk
That may be my favorite latemodel Mustang. And they are getting very affordable. Like $30k for a completely done verified 700hp one with low miles and garage kept. By the time you get a Coyote and do all the additions and a power adder you are right at the $30k mark or maybe a little more so pick your poison. That is if you get a Coyote with low miles in good shape for the $20-$22k range.
__________________
2000 Mustang GT Steeda #0048

Just because I give you advice, doesn't mean I know more than you. Its just means I've done more stupid ****.
scottydsntknow is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   Mustang Evolution > 1979-2015 Mustang GT || Tech and Talk > 1996-2004 Mustang GT

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
HP gains with Tuning? SaferAngel Pre-2005 V6 Mustang 2 09-10-2006 07:28 PM
cam and sct chip tune gains? tedness Pre-2005 V6 Mustang 10 06-01-2005 11:02 AM
stage 1 v6 = what gains? tedness Pre-2005 V6 Mustang 18 02-03-2005 08:46 PM
gains from porting whipster24 Pre-2005 V6 Mustang 66 02-11-2004 04:01 PM
UPDATE!! BUTT DYNO SHOWS HP GAINS and is accurate Danger Dude Pre-2005 V6 Mustang 46 01-05-2004 10:43 PM

» Like Us On Facebook



04:58 PM


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0

MustangEvolution.com is in no way associated with or endorsed by Ford Motor Company.