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Old 09-10-2015, 10:17 PM   #1
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Horsepower and money

How much will it cost to reach 600 reliably? And just in the engine. Not factoring in the rest of the car or labor. I just want to know if going coyote is the better option. Btw my 04 gt is payed off.
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Coyote is the better option. Better yet just put a coyote in your new edge.


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Coyote is always the better option
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Coyote will be a better option. Between the supercharger or turbocharger kit needed, then forged internals, and the various seals, rings, bearings and other stuff, then you will most likely want head work and cams. Then factor installation cost in if you don't do the work yourself. Your better bet will be a coyote. A bolt on E85 coyote can make 450whp and hit major rpms. Then you don't have to worry about the added weight from a supercharger or turbocharger, and you also cut about 80lbs alone with the engine swap (even more if you use tubular suspension.
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To put a number on it your looking at around 10,000


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Don't forget the coyote only has 400 hp not 600 so in addition to the addition cost of the newer car you will probable have to add at least 10k if not more in the coyote to get to 600 hp


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Slap on a vmp kit for 6 and,his 650 whp and call it a day
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Don't forget the coyote only has 400 hp not 600 so in addition to the addition cost of the newer car you will probable have to add at least 10k if not more in the coyote to get to 600 hp


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You can hit 600 hp for about 2k if you really wanted to.



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You can hit 600 hp for about 2k if you really wanted to.



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Yep... Atleast once for sure


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Yep... Atleast once for sure


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It would last longer then once. A basic hardlined plate kit is $550, basic off-road x pipe $350 $ tune 500 less than 2k. Plugs $80 Just a lot of basic stuff


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Ok so the avg cost for a coyote swap is around 15k? Would that be the same amount for a built 2v hitting 600?
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It would last longer then once. A basic hardlined plate kit is $550, basic off-road x pipe $350 $ tune 500 less than 2k. Plugs $80 Just a lot of basic stuff


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On 2004 GT... Doesn't seem likely to last more then one shot to make 600 hp in that model year. A coyote sure but he has an 04


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On 2004 GT... Doesn't seem likely to last more then one shot to make 600 hp in that model year. A coyote sure but he has an 04


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Well considering the guy I quoted was referring to the coyote............


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Well considering the guy I quoted was referring to the coyote............


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Cheapest way to get 600 horsepower at the crank (as far as I know)


- Used 4.8L or 5.3L chevy vortec $600

- Gap the rings a bit, hone the cylinders (not absolutely necessary, but thorough)

- Junkyard Turbo- $300 (max) basically any turbo will work for this as long as it isn't so small that its absolutely choking your exhaust flow

- Used Holley double pumper $150 with mechanical secondaries and a boost hat (or have the turbos draw through the carbs if you're a real man/hot rodder)


- Turbo plumbing? $ 350 (I really don't know at all lol)


-Cheap homemade meth/water injection kit $50 (get your engineering brain on)


- Run 15 PSI $priceless
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What is your overall budget? You can buy a turnkey lightly used 07-09 GT500 making 600+ and suspension work done too for $30k or so and it'll almost always be a garage queen. That is a LOT of car for the money.


A used Coyote base model 2011/2012 with low miles in good shape can be had for the low $20k range. And then a blower kit is $5k or so and basic driveline mods will be another $3-$5k.


Just to build a 2V that can do 600+ reliably is going to be about $15,000 for just the motor and blower. Probably going to be into it for $20-$30k including the cost of the car on a complete 2V build. The ONLY reason I myself have another 04-down car is because of the deal I got on my car and its a numbered special edition car. I paid for the entire car with suspension/bolt ons and a Novi 2000 and the fact that its a numbered car for the same money as just a new Supercharger kit.
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15k will be the max budget. Not all at once lol. But I do love the new edge. I think a coyote swap would be my best bet. But toying around the idea of a boss block stroker combo.
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I wouldn't be to concerned with hp numbers honestly. Even with only 400 whp you need to upgrade brakes, suspension etc to be able to actually use the power. Something to consider


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I have some suspension done. Sfc, lca, shocks an struts and lowering springs. Cc plates. Panhard. Brakes is something I haven't touched yet.
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I do have some bolt on parts as well. I just need everybody's opinion on where the best investment would be at. I appreciate everybody's reply.
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Tires are your most important piece of equipment followed by brakes then suspension then the rest. Honestly all bull**** aside an without any bias you smiles per mile to dollar factor calls for one single upgrade. Call kenne bell order their 2.1 intercooled kit. Heck they finance! You will have 425 at the wheels always in tap full boost from 2200 rpm and the damn blower never fails and the install is painless as far as forced induction goes. After that you can just worry about the looks and handling of your car. Kenne bell 1 stop sgop and done



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15k will be the max budget. Not all at once lol. But I do love the new edge. I think a coyote swap would be my best bet. But toying around the idea of a boss block stroker combo.
You could literally buy a turn-key naturally aspirated (the best all around way to make power IMO) 600 hp crate motor brand new (probably with a warranty), and still have money left over for a good brand new transmission and swap it all into your new edge for that budget.
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725 gross horsepower. Easily over 600 when dressed with accessories.


$11k


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15k will be the max budget. Not all at once lol. But I do love the new edge. I think a coyote swap would be my best bet. But toying around the idea of a boss block stroker combo.
Sell your car, put the $20-$22k you have with the car sold plus the $15k and buy a 2011 or 2012 Coyote. That is going to be your best bet.
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725 gross horsepower. Easily over 600 when dressed with accessories.


$11k


http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hp...FRCCaQodMeEHzA
Nowadays, you can actually build a Big Block Ford for less money than a Chevy.
A 532 stroker will make around 775 "real world" horsepower, and you can build one for less than $10k.
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Here is the recipe.
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/...k-ford-engine/

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I agree with all the suggestions... But it's still fun to build a 2 valve honestly... You would be surprised how much fun a properly set up 2 valve gt can be... Especially with a power adder and some weight reduction 😉


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If money wasn't an option and you want to keep your NE body like I do , I would go coyote swap all the way. It just has more potential in the long run

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Don't forget the coyote only has 400 hp not 600 so in addition to the addition cost of the newer car you will probable have to add at least 10k if not more in the coyote to get to 600 hp


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A 450rwhp coyote will probably be about as fast as a 600rwhp 2v after you factor in power band, and the weight of the car.

Numbers are not everything when it comes to being fast.
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A 450rwhp coyote will probably be about as fast as a 600rwhp 2v after you factor in power band, and the weight of the car.



Numbers are not everything when it comes to being fast.

Lol not necessarily true... Im sure Ill catch some heat for this but... Power to weight and power band up top when shifting is what makes a big difference... In Mexico they have Some good stats... Must be sea level 😜


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Horsepower and money

How many NA 2v,s are running 10's?

How many 500hp and below 2v's are running 10's ?


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Horsepower and money

Honestly you could go all out on the 2v and make 600 at the ground through a auto. And get beat at the track by a stock motor NA coyote.

Just the way the times are now. So many factors come to play. It's not just the HP# now.


Now imo the balls to the wall built 2v would have a better "cool" factor. And would sound a 1,000,000 times better.


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Lol not necessarily true... Im sure Ill catch some heat for this but... Power to weight and power band up top when shifting is what makes a big difference... In Mexico they have Some good stats... Must be sea level


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Thats exactly what i was getting at......

A coyote weighs 80lbs less than a 4.6 2v as is. Tubular K member is usually used for the swap, so shave another 60-80lbs, if you are into dig racing then thats already better weight transfer, let alone giving you a better power ratio right off the bat. The TI-VCT and 7500 safe rpms the coyote can take will definitely be more beneficial than a 2v, which you would need some ported heads and huge cams to accomplish. Then at that point you lose drivability.

And then thats still N/A vs turbo or supercharger.

Ultimately if you really dig into the engine and do the builds right you can have a really nasty set up either way. In my opinion the coyote is a better platform to build off though.

Take for example the 3v vs coyote. A member on here here (Fabman) has a 6xx horsepower 3v, built and boosted with as much head porting as you could possibly do, and the stock coyote heads still slightly outflow them.

I saw a 580whp N/A coyote before, on stock compression.


I'm talking about swapping in a 5.0 btw, not sure if that was clear. I'm not talking about buying a 2011+ Mustang GT.
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