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Old 09-18-2015, 12:50 PM   #1
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Coyote vs 2v crate

So I'm still planning my resto and I think I'm gonna go with a new crate engine. It's hard not to be attracted to the two-year warranty with a new coyote.

My question: what are the significant differences if I were to go with a coyote swap versus a built 2v from someone like Sean Hyland Motorsport? https://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/500-HP-4.6-SOHC

Keep in mind that I will keep my car an auto, as I plan on getting a manual S550.


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Coyote vs 2v crate

That link you sent is to something that is flat out pathetic, PATHETIC
Take that 15k and you can build a nasty coyote motor.
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Uhhhhhhhh 12LBs of boost and that's what is making. Id run away from that motor and buy the aluminator then slap a turbo or supercharger on it. It will run circles around that linked motor.


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A NA Bolton coyote will run circles around it. Not hard to run circles around a 2v


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A NA Bolton coyote will run circles around it. Not hard to run circles around a 2v


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$15,500 for a 500 hp supercharged engine? Wow that is a steep price. And then you have to make the chasis and trans handle 500 horsepower?


it would be an easy $20k project and then still would have bugs to work out..


Just buy a Coyote GT that already makes 420 horsepower N/A and has a chasis that can hook with it..


Sell the GT for $5500-- take the $20k you would spend trying to get this engine to work with the new edge car-- Then buy a $25k car that makes that power N/A and won't be a pain in the *** lol


500 horsepower is not hard to get. Junkyard 5.3 or 4.8 chevy and a junkyard turbo would put you over that on 12 psi. Could build it for under $4k I bet.
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Haha, damn, I don't think the guys at SHM will like your replies

I was thinking the 2v would save me some $ on supporting parts vs the coyote, but I'm definitely leaning coyote.

It seems like the aluminator xs would be the same price as a supercharged coyote. I know there's more hp with the sc, but would there be any benefit to going the na route? Besides reliability (I assume). 500+ hp would be an insane jump from where I am now, let alone 600+. Even a stock coyote would be a huge difference.


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$15,500 for a 500 hp supercharged engine? Wow that is a steep price. And then you have to make the chasis and trans handle 500 horsepower?


it would be an easy $20k project and then still would have bugs to work out..


Just buy a Coyote GT that already makes 420 horsepower N/A and has a chasis that can hook with it..


Sell the GT for $5500-- take the $20k you would spend trying to get this engine to work with the new edge car-- Then buy a $25k car that makes that power N/A and won't be a pain in the *** lol


500 horsepower is not hard to get. Junkyard 5.3 or 4.8 chevy and a junkyard turbo would put you over that on 12 psi. Could build it for under $4k I bet.

I'm the OO of my GT so I'm planning on keeping it.

What's the reliability with the junkyard Chevy? I mean, I'd rather keep it all Ford, but I guess it's something I'd consider. There's also the warranty with the coyote. I also have CA emissions to worry about.


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If you want the 2v then do it. But don't do the crate motor you can build a far more nasty 2v with that 15k


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If you want the 2v then do it. But don't do the crate motor you can build a far more nasty 2v with that 15k


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I'm the OO of my GT so I'm planning on keeping it.

What's the reliability with the junkyard Chevy? I mean, I'd rather keep it all Ford, but I guess it's something I'd consider. There's also the warranty with the coyote. I also have CA emissions to worry about.


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Oh I see, so you kinda know the car's whole history.

And the junkyard 5.3 is not going to break. Even if it does break, its going to cost like $5 to fix or like $500 to just go get an entire engine replacement. I have a 5.3 in my suburban-- 225k miles-- Nothing but towing and getting piss pounded for its whole life-- Never had one single mechanical issue with the engine or transmission. Nothing but brakes, tires, air filters, and oil have been done to that beast. The rest of the vehicle will rot and return back to the earth before the engine fails.


Just google the things those 5.3s put up with. People run 30PSI into them and make 1400 horsepower on the dyno before they finally give up.

I trust that engine as much or more than the 4.6 4v in my 50k miles cobra.
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Would you trust it as much as a new coyote? Also, would it pass CA emissions?

I mean, I'm definitely leaning toward the coyote but it sounds interesting. It's hard to ignore the price difference to get that power if it's plausible, but it would be really damn weird not having a Ford engine in there.


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Put that same amount of money into a coyote swap and you will put train lengths on anyone with that engine.

Oh and junkyard chevy's are old news. Much better options than that.
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The whole thing with the junkyard builds is just than a junk car.
I know of a few people with "junkyard 5.3" builds and guess what. The fast ones have been completely redone. Pistons,rods,crank, heads,cam.
The poor mans build is the actual pay $500 for a motor and put a $1,000 eBay turbo kit on it and say you have a "race car"


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Perfect comparison. This guy did a coyote swap. He previously had a Kenne Bell 2v, which is basically what that engine is that place is selling. He even said it himself, the bone stock 5.0 in his car makes less power than the Kenne Bell 2v but goes faster. And runs low low 11s out of the box. Didn't take long for him to hit 10s on that set up. Show me a junkyard 5.3 or 4.8 build doing this.

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Damn, that was a sick video. I've got some 4.10s waiting for my coyote

I'm definitely gonna go with a coyote swap. It might not be the cheapest way, but I think it's the best way.

That brings me to my next question: Is it worth it to go with the aluminator xs, which is twice the price as the stock motor, but only has about 80+ more hp? If so, why?


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well my buddies at LSx Unlimited do almost nothing but junkyard pulls of 4.8 5.3 and 6.0's and toss turbo's on them. Here is jeremy's 98 stang with stock 6.0 bottom 5.3 heads(stock) everything stock and 80mm turbo running 5.9's 1/8(9.4 1/4) and he drives this car everywhere 'fishin' lol.

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Worlds fastest 100% stock motor coyote is 8.6


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Perfect comparison. This guy did a coyote swap. He previously had a Kenne Bell 2v, which is basically what that engine is that place is selling. He even said it himself, the bone stock 5.0 in his car makes less power than the Kenne Bell 2v but goes faster. And runs low low 11s out of the box. Didn't take long for him to hit 10s on that set up. Show me a junkyard 5.3 or 4.8 build doing this.

Literally the easiest request I have recieved all day. I even went above and beyond and got a video of a junkyard 5.3 Ebay turbo car beating that EXACT car you thought couldn't be topped by this build haha. First clip in this video. Same track and everything I guarantee it.
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^ the red new edge with the coyote is NA though.


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OP, what are your actual goals? Because you can find a low mileage Coyote pullout for way way way way less money.

Or just build a nasty 2V yourself, I will be doing this on the side once my Steeda car has the new motor in it. I already have the blower tho and I paid for the entire car what a new blower kit costs. That is where the 2V failboats compared to the Coyote. Coyote can run stupid fast times NA, a 4.6l REQUIRES a power adder.
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What is the cheaper route, buying an actual coyote? Or buying a truck or suv coyote and swapping in the parts? Assuming you did the swaps yourself.
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I believe it was mentioned in a previous thread that to make the coyote truck motor the same as the car its less than $1k DIY.

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So that puts it at 3000ish
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The thing is, it's not only about cheap hp, but I need something that is reliable and will pass CA emissions. I also work in public accounting, so it's important that I get something that's solid and relatively low risk. I also don't know if I'll have the time to go to a junkyard and find this stuff unless it's easier than I think.

I was thinking of doing something big when I get the S550, like a twin turbo or something, so I've been liking the idea of going all motor for my GT. Maybe I'll change my mind down the road, but it'll be such a huge difference that I'm sure I'll be satisfied for a while. I'm basically going for 400+ hp, reliability, and CA emissions friendly. I also plan on eventually hitting the strip.




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I also wouldn't mind opening my hood and seeing something nice to look at. The look of the stock 2v can be pretty uninspiring.


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OP, what are your actual goals? Because you can find a low mileage Coyote pullout for way way way way less money.

Or just build a nasty 2V yourself, I will be doing this on the side once my Steeda car has the new motor in it. I already have the blower tho and I paid for the entire car what a new blower kit costs. That is where the 2V failboats compared to the Coyote. Coyote can run stupid fast times NA, a 4.6l REQUIRES a power adder.

In your opinion, what differences could I expect from each? That's why I originally posted the SHM 2v- it was the same price as the xs and the same power. I kind of wondered why they would bother with the 2v unless there was something to it.


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Literally the easiest request I have recieved all day. I even went above and beyond and got a video of a junkyard 5.3 Ebay turbo car beating that EXACT car you thought couldn't be topped by this build haha. First clip in this video. Same track and everything I guarantee it.
Boosted vs NA (Bone stock 5.0 at that) and only ran a little faster.......... Yeah i'm not impressed.

Might want to go look up his new times since he added his Procharger, he is running faster than that fox now.

Either way, now ditch straight line racing and focus on corners. No competition, high revving light weight engine vs a whale of an engine + turbo weight = coyote all day winning.
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Try this one on for size.

Now you can compare your boosted 5.3 to a boosted 5.0. I'll let you see the times for yourself. Full weight car also.


Coyote > 5.3
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^ the red new edge with the coyote is NA though.


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Still don't trust it as much as a 5.3.

Even a junkyard turbo 5.3.

Rotating assembly alone-- don't even need to mention the headaches with the Coyote's Vtec yo.
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Try this one on for size.

Now you can compare your boosted 5.3 to a boosted 5.0. I'll let you see the times for yourself. Full weight car also.


Coyote > 5.3
5.3 will hold power than the Yote before they break. You can boost them to higher power levels and still come in for less $$.
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Okay guys. The Yote is a good engine.


Im glad ford finally made something that we can almost compare to what chevy was putting out 17 years ago.


I just think its too bad that the engine is 4 times as complex, costs 4x as much, and still gets beat by a junkyard chevy truck motor with a $5 turbo kit off ebay.


Chevy has better engines, why take it personal? I have 2 mustangs and I still am willing to face facts like- Yote is not god's gift to engines. doesn't mean it sucks, but horsepower per dollar is not the Yote's forte in my opinion.
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don't even need to mention the headaches with the Coyote's Vtec yo.

Explain??? Make sure you have your big boy panties on.

You mad Bc neither of your mustangs are on the level you want. Why don't you swap in your 5.3 so they can be.


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Explain??? Make sure you have your big boy panties on.

You mad Bc neither of your mustangs are on the level you want. Why don't you swap in your 5.3 so they can be.


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VCT = More things to break (expensive things)

You cant spell VTec without V&C&T.

And no I am quite happy with my car. One of the major reasons I bought it is for the lack of VCT. I did not want an S197, because I don't like stupid **** like VCT inside of engines. Don't want to pay the $$ for a coyote car just to have an engine that compares to a 98 Camaro, but has 50x more moving parts to break.


Plus its only marginally faster than a stock N/A cobra that's 10 years older, unless you build it. Guess what? Id rather build the cobra. Less bull**** to deal with, lower insurance, similar speed, looks better, and no depreciation. That means more $$ left over I could probably build a turb 5.3 notchback with the money I save.
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VCT = More things to break (expensive things)

You cant spell VTec without V&C&T.

And no I am quite happy with my car. One of the major reasons I bought it is for the lack of VCT. I did not want an S197, because I don't like stupid **** like VCT inside of engines. Don't want to pay the $$ for a coyote car just to have an engine that compares to a 98 Camaro, but has 50x more moving parts to break.


Plus its only marginally faster than a stock N/A cobra that's 10 years older, unless you build it. Guess what? Id rather build the cobra. Less bull**** to deal with, lower insurance, similar speed, looks better, and no depreciation. That means more $$ left over I could probably build a turb 5.3 notchback with the money I save.

Your intelligence shows Greatly.

And the NA cobra is a complete turd even with boltons.


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