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Old 10-15-2015, 02:02 AM   #1
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So I've done research but ended up just giving up. So i wanted to see from you guys with experience what gains i have made with these mods.

My car is the lat 01 5 speed.

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X4 tune running 93 mpt tune

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Can anyone give me a reasonable answer for the amount of gains i have made?


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not a legit answer but realistic.

You have brought your 15 yo car back up to it's original HP
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usually what ive seen when people post dyno results is going from 221 stock to 260 at the wheels with full bolt ons. the tune wont really do much as far as increasing horsepower, but it changes the way it drives so that its more aggressive, and probably accelerate faster. The only thing ive noticed from a more open exhaust is easier passing power on the highway.

bottom line, these engines wont go much faster with boltons or cheap upgrades (cheap being a relative term) you gotta boost if you want to keep up with newer cars.
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You are likely at 240-250 to the wheels. Not drastic gains.


There is not very much you can do power wise with bolt ons to the PI motor. 255-260 is max realistic without doing cams and then you are at 285-300 depending on the cams.


You will need a power adder or swap to a different motor to get more out of it.


That being said, a 260whp 2V with suspension and sticky tires can do high 12s with a really good driver. This is where too many ppl cheap out or completely neglect. I don't see any suspension work in the OP's list of stuff, this is very very bad. That or gears. Gears will be the biggest SOTP gain for the $$$ there is on this car.


Lower control arms, leave the stock uppers, lower the car with a good set of springs/shocks/struts/CC plates, do full length subframes and a good set of wheels and tires and the overall performance aspect of the car will drastically increase.
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It is impossible for us to give you a legitimate answer. Every car is different. If you really want to know, go schedule a dyno appointment and find out.


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usually what ive seen when people post dyno results is going from 221 stock to 260 at the wheels with full bolt ons. the tune wont really do much as far as increasing horsepower, but it changes the way it drives so that its more aggressive, and probably accelerate faster. The only thing ive noticed from a more open exhaust is easier passing power on the highway.

bottom line, these engines wont go much faster with boltons or cheap upgrades (cheap being a relative term) you gotta boost if you want to keep up with newer cars.

Not really, boost isn't really needed to keep up with newer mustangs. Excluding 5.0


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Not really, boost isn't really needed to keep up with newer mustangs. Excluding 5.0


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That's what we mean when we say newer, the Coyote

Eco boost, v6 etc, is a drivers race, you really can't compare a coyote to a 2v, that's ridiculous


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So I've done research but ended up just giving up. So i wanted to see from you guys with experience what gains i have made with these mods.

My car is the lat 01 5 speed.

Mods

X4 tune running 93 mpt tune

Off road bassani x

Slps

Mgw, which has no effect.

Can anyone give me a reasonable answer for the amount of gains i have made?
Absolutely not. There's no way to speculate what the cars making and if you're looking for a legitimate answer you're going to need to get the car on a dyno.

I've seen factory freak 2v's put down 237 -245 stock to the tire where as an 02' with healthy bolt ons make 11hp less.

We need to take into consideration the age and mileage of the car because every year whether we like it or not our cars will lose power.

Where are you based out of? I'm happy to track down someone that can strap her down.

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Eco boost, v6 etc, is a drivers race, you really can't compare a coyote to a 2v, that's ridiculous


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yea shoulda been clearer. but i meant like the 400hp off the lot new cars. but you can boost a 2v into a drivers race with a coyote. long as they dont boost i guess.
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yea shoulda been clearer. but i meant like the 400hp off the lot new cars. but you can boost a 2v into a drivers race with a coyote. long as they dont boost i guess.

I know but other mustangs boost is not needed


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whether we like it or not our cars will lose power

Unless we buy mods every year, right?
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Unless we buy mods every year, right?

My car is stock and still pulls pretty good


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yea shoulda been clearer. but i meant like the 400hp off the lot new cars. but you can boost a 2v into a drivers race with a coyote. long as they dont boost i guess.
If the Coyote has basic bolt ons and suspension with a good driver then no. The Coyote is a freakishly good motor and the whole driveline on the S197 is damn good, especially the automatics.
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Also, the 2011+ V6's will be tough to beat. The thing to remember about the newer Mustangs is that the power plant is so much better in making power. The V6 engine revs higher and has better power curves throughout. Most of the V6's I've seen at the track are easily under 14 sec 1/4 miles with just exhaust and a tune.
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Also, the 2011+ V6's will be tough to beat. The thing to remember about the newer Mustangs is that the power plant is so much better in making power. The V6 engine revs higher and has better power curves throughout. Most of the V6's I've seen at the track are easily under 14 sec 1/4 miles with just exhaust and a tune.

When I'm at the strip it's mainly roll racing after 100 the v6 died out


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Basically the 3.7L is on par with the 3V. If someone was to just hand me the keys to either a 2004 2V, a 2009 3V or a 2011 V6 I'd take the V6 without even having to think.
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Basically the 3.7L is on par with the 3V. If someone was to just hand me the keys to either a 2004 2V, a 2009 3V or a 2011 V6 I'd take the V6 without even having to think.

I'd do the same , sell the v6 and have a good amount for a down payment on a coyote


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Basically the 3.7L is on par with the 3V. If someone was to just hand me the keys to either a 2004 2V, a 2009 3V or a 2011 V6 I'd take the V6 without even having to think.

Same here. I'd stick with the specials for Mustangs older than 2011.
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Basically the 3.7L is on par with the 3V. If someone was to just hand me the keys to either a 2004 2V, a 2009 3V or a 2011 V6 I'd take the V6 without even having to think.
I'd pick the 3v.

Then throw some FRPP Hot Rod cams in it and electric cutouts. Might be slow, but will shake the earth lol
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Unless we buy mods every year, right?
I said no such thing! You're killing me! But we do have that shiny MustangEvolution Forums Discount Code, cough cough!

I know you guys know just as well as I do with this motor if you're looking to lay the smack down heads, cams, beefy injectors and a pump will wake these cars the hell up. There's nothing that sounds better than a 345whp 2v anyway

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The only thing i would do is spray. Im considering a nitrous outlet kit.


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I've run an 02 2v running a proc harder d1 at 10 lbs putting out 380 at the tires when I had my coyote, completely stock. Got beat by .2 tenths at the track. Both were on street tires. Once I did exhaust intake and tune I was pulling on him by 3 car lengths.

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And then he does basic bolt ons and a tune and puts an easy bus length on you. And then you do a full build and run 10s and then some dude shows up with a twin turbo Coyote and runs a 9 on stock heads and cams. Always someone faster but it makes much more financial sense to get a Coyote. Only reason I have the car I have in my sig is I paid $5500 for it with 34k miles and it is a numbered car. I will have about $12k into it making 425-450 at the wheels when all is done and I still don't expect to beat a well put together bolt on and suspension Coyote at the 1/4.

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Put in a coyote.... Bam, best of both worlds.


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Put in a coyote.... Bam, best of both worlds.


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Honestly for the costs of doing everything plus bolt ons plus tuning etc... etc... There are turnkey 07-09 GT500s making upwards of 700hp going in the high $20k-low $30k range. Those may currently be the best HP bang for the buck cars out right now.


That or a real low mileage base model 2011/2012 A6 Coyote for $20k you drop $5k of mods into for low 11s all motor and 10s on the sauce.
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