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Old 11-20-2015, 10:26 PM   #1
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Lightbulb 04 Timing Chain to do

Alright, it's time to pull the front end off and replace my Timing chains/guides. Going with this kit
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Should be everything I need to do a timing chain, correct? Anything else recommended I should change out while I have everything apart? I plan to keep the Motor in the car. I have access to a lift and tools since I work at a Dealership. Currently the car has 101K miles. Supposedly it has aftermarket cams on it but I cannot confirm. Once I have the valve covers off, will I be able to tell from stock?
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The only other thing that I can think of to replace is the water pump.
It will be difficult to determine what cams are in it if you can't find any part numbers on them.One way to tell, is to use a dial indicator and a degree wheel to figure out the lift and duration of the cams and then compare those numbers to the specifications of the stock cams.
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For the Water Pump, go with Ford OEM??

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Have the chain replaced and now it's making a different noise. Sounds like a spun bearing. Time for a new motor?

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Man that sucks. If it is confirmed a spun bearing it may be easier and more cost/time effective to find a lower mileage 4.6 as many have done and swap it. Even if you had a shop do it, it would probably be cheaper. You could try to swap over any bolt ons you have to the new motor, and your "mystery" cams, haha.

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Would any 4.6 sohc motor fit? Direct swapping. Crown vic or just find another gt motor?

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The advantage to the Crown Vic is that typically they were used gently vs beat on like a GT motor. Look for a 04 up 4.6l I believe that is when the 8 thread spark plugs started too. You should be able to find one easily. Probably low mileage too. Just swap over all your current GT stuff on the top of the motor. Like Scotty has said, put the new one on a stand, swap over your Mustang specific parts, then pull the old one. Easier said than done of course. This would be the cheapest way if your engine really is done.

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101,000 miles? Surely the motor isn't toast... That's hardly broken in!


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People before me probably ruin the car lol. But anyways good news is I don't need a motor maybe? Found the problem

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101,000 miles? Surely the motor isn't toast... That's hardly broken in!


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I'm replacing a 34k mile engine that some ****** blew up. It happens.

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Would any 4.6 sohc motor fit? Direct swapping. Crown vic or just find another gt motor?

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Here's the one I'm replacing it with in my 2000 GT. A 2005 Marquis motor. Swap the timing cover and acessories from yours to the Vic motor you get and it's a 100% direct replacement. This one has 39k and I saw it in the car before it was removed. Car was in good shape but not worth anything more than the family to scrap after the owner died. I doubt it ever saw more than 3k RPM.

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Okay guys. I took my car to a machine shop to get a time sert for my spark plug blowing out and the guy said it's not fixable? It had been fixed before and cannot be fix again? What are my options.

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It sounds like you are going to have to find a replacement PI head.
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Yeah, been searching but no luck. Any online sells? Found none on ebay other than the pi kit for a grand

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They used to be available, individually, from Ford, but they have been discontinued.

You will probably need to find a used one from a private party or a wrecking yard, if you just need one cylinder head.
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AM has them seperately. I think their around $450 or so.

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What website did you find used engines from? Forgot.
I'm in the 2004 GT with the 5 speed.
I've called my local junk yards and no luck.
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AM has them seperately. I think their around $450 or so.

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I know that they used to sell them but I cant find them now.
MMR used to have them as well...I don't see them on their site either.
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http://www.americanmuscle.com/frpp-pi-head-rh-9904.html

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A little pricey. Usually at any given time I can find some on Craigslist near me for fairly cheap like 100-500 a set.

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Lmao you can get a whole low mileage motor for the cost of a single head. Car-Part.com--Used Auto Parts Market I got my 05 Vic motor for $575 delivered on a pickup to my door. Guy had a liftgate, we just pulled the motor (on a tire) onto the liftgate and lowered it down until I could bolt my engine stand to it and that was that.
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If you scroll down, it says that AM no longer carries them.
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Any year will fit 04? No specific year for the crown vic or grand marq?

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99-up are PI engines.
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Okay guys. I took my car to a machine shop to get a time sert for my spark plug blowing out and the guy said it's not fixable? It had been fixed before and cannot be fix again? What are my options.

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you MAY very well have a option timesert makes what they call the big-sert a double over size for heads that have blown out plugs before ++ TIME-SERT, problem FORD 1L2E heads use p/n 5553 ++
and locknstitch Spark Plug Hole Thread Inserts On Lock-N-Stitch also makes a double over ,I prefer to use theirs since the inserts are alloy like the heads and transfer the heat better then the steel to alloy
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Any year will fit 04? No specific year for the crown vic or grand marq?

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Any PI engine will fit. You want a 04+ tho for the 8 thread plug holes. Recommend an 04-10 Vic/Marquis/Towncar. The Marquis engine I have came out of a 2005 with 39K and I doubt it ever saw 3k RPM. I saw it in the car prior to the yard yanking it and made a mark on it so I knew it was the same motor. Yard owner said it was part of an estate sale.

The crazy thing about those cars is even with like... no miles they are worth nothing so usually in estate sales like this one was they are just sold to yards for parts.


To swap them you just bust the Vic motor down to just a longblock and no front cover and then pull your Mustang engine and swap everything over. Heads/cams/intake are all the same although the intakes like to warp under the tstat. The 39k mile intake that was on mine was shot unfortunately. Heat cycles and age is a factor here, not miles. Its a $275 part from AM. Which sucks for me because that's like half of what I paid for the whole motor lol.
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What does PI mean? Ported intake?


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I believe that it was Performance Improvement (PI)
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If you scroll down, it says that AM no longer carries them.
Gotcha. ADHD, cant read entire things.

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Cylinder 2 hole.

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Think the over size time sert would work?

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Hard to say I repaired mine I had a 2000 GT that blew the # 1 Plug out. I still have the kit, but if yours has already been repaired before not sure if it would work a 2nd time. I got the kit for around $250 and it had everything to do all eight cylinders. This looks like the kit I used:


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Slash, are you doing your own plug changes with these things or is some shop doing them? Just curious. Is a torque wrench being used? Because this is going to keep happening if someone is using a calibrated elbow or thinking you can gorilla them in like you can (but shouldn't) on iron heads.
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