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Old 01-11-2016, 12:39 PM   #36
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I think a forged internal 04 GT with a 200-300 shot would be something to be reckoned with


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It really depends. 200 shot on a 2V is not going to be faster than a Coyote. Then there is suspension and driver etc...

That said, yes a 400-500hp "2V" is going to surprise a lot of ppl on the street and that's what I'm counting on personally for mine.

I mean what are your actual goals with the car? Like for me I will be perfectly content with 450whp shifting at 5800RPM out of mine and I know if I want more its going to be a much better idea in every single aspect to sell it or turn it into a show car and buy a Coyote.
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Well if I can surprise some people and run 6-7 second 1/8ths and 11-12 1/4's I'd be happy. But I figured a already built, bolt on, cammed 2v plus 200-250 shot would be no slouch


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What to do what to do lol


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Well you already have the car and you know the car etc... Not sure how much you paid for it and how much you'll have into it and if you care etc...

If you already have the On3 kit I'd slap it on a stock motor, set it to 450whp and run it till it blows up while building up something else on the side. That's actually my exact plan with my 2000 and I think it'll work well since the Novi is basically futureproof (for me) as 20+ psi capable headunit.
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Well I talked to my tuner, he just finished a 2v with literally the exact setup I have, same internals same compression, he's running 80lb injectors boost a pump and a bigger pump on 93 octane pushing 640 to the wheels on 14lbs

So I think I'll stick turbo and try that start at 10-12lbs then just up the boost, then i can switch to return style and e85 later on.. That will keep me in budget.

I really wouldn't sell the car unless all the stars aligned and I found a nice termi

Got a lot of time and love in this car




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Other than modular head shop, is there any cheaper places to get the rotating assembly?


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Not really. They are all pretty competitive with each other. I mean there are some places like MMR which might be a little less (like a hundo) but MMR=Might Make Raceday for a reason. Plus the service you'll get from MHS is second to none. I've legit seen MMR post some crazy **** in forums (the actual MMR owner) where it either was not their fault because the "buyer should have known better" or "we've never had a failure like that in X engine builds" etc... Who the hell even agrees to build someone a motor with a buyer supplied block when the buyer is trying to cheap out by not getting it hot tanked and gone over? MMR that's who.


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I really wish there was a shop like Fordstrokers for modular. I mean there will be local ones in some places but not a nationwide builder that you KNOW will do a top notch job no matter what. MHS is about as close to that in modular land as you are going to get.
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You can try cushman motorsports. They have their CMS Economod 750 forged rotating assembly for 2099.


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Before I pull the trigger, I have my suspension part of the on3 but should I go single 76mm or twins?


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Bwrights thread is making me debate twins lol


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I trust your input but just curious as to why? I'm assuming it would build boost quicker


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I trust your input but just curious as to why? I'm assuming it would build boost quicker


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For a nasty street car a big single is the only way to go. The way it builds power is something you can only get with a large single vs some twins Bc you want eye candy.


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I gotcha lol plus I think a big shiny intercooler would be enough lol

Buddy of mine just got his back and was well into the 600's with a smaller 70mm and only 12# so I'm gonna start in that range and just up the boost as I get used to the power

Definitely investing in a wideband and 2step as well hopefully that will help with launching, I haven't launched a big boost turbo vehicle since my 11second truck so I'll have to get used to it again


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Think this is a good option? It's a little easier on my wallet compared to the other one I posted
http://www.cushmanmotorsports.com/cm...anley-pistons/


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I gotcha lol plus I think a big shiny intercooler would be enough lol

Buddy of mine just got his back and was well into the 600's with a smaller 70mm and only 12# so I'm gonna start in that range and just up the boost as I get used to the power

Definitely investing in a wideband and 2step as well hopefully that will help with launching, I haven't launched a big boost turbo vehicle since my 11second truck so I'll have to get used to it again


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Lots of guys over at the Corral have posted 700+rwhp dyno sheets out of built 2V cars with the On3 single kit. I mean anyone can post whatever on the internets but its not just one person. And with ported PI heads too.
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For a nasty street car a big single is the only way to go. The way it builds power is something you can only get with a large single vs some twins Bc you want eye candy.


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It's again more than eye candy. It depends on how your building the car twins are great for spooling and yes they do look great I'm not saying anything bad against a big single but twins are nice also


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I forget if it was this thread or another but anyone wondering what is better, take a trip to your local 1/4 mile and look at what the heavy hitters are running turbo wise. 9/10 of them will be a big single.

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Where to go next

Pulled the trigger today, here is my order list

DSC04303 1996-04 Mustang GT Forward Facing Turbo System
Gen. 2 Forward Facing 2V/4V Kit

•On 3 Performance 76mm Ceramic Ball Bearing Turbo
•On 3 Performance cBB Turbo Oil Restrictor
•On 3 Performance CNC Billet Vacuum Distribution Block
•On 3 Performance 4" Race Core Intercooler Upgrade
•On 3 v.2 Divided Intercooler End Tank Design
•On 3 Performance 320lph Gas / E-85 Safe Fuel Pump
•On 3 Performance Maf Kit Calibrated to Injectors and Flange
•Custom Tig Service For Welding on Maf Flange


Pulling the motor late this week or early next week, once it's out I'll disassemble it and send the block off to get honed and cleaned.

Then while the engine bay is empty I'll be doing a battery relocation, wire tuck and installing the k member and coilovers, also deleting the abs. It's going to be a very busy next few months. But in the end I think having a 600hp 2v will be a damn fun car and accomplishment


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ok dammit... everyone is pulling motors but me. argh. Now im motivated and its literally 2F outside. FML.

Lol good luck with it. A 600hp 2V will be badass, just make sure you can take it to 7k+ on the RPM range or you'll still get pulled by Coyotes on the street.
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Be sure to post up pics of pulling the motor! And be dang sure to post up pics of the build. Lol


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I'll probably keep the build on this thread or I may start a new one and I don't know but either way I'll be taking lots of pics so I know how everything goes back together LOL


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If you don't mind telling... About how much did this all cost you?


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That list of On3 stuff probably ran him up into the $6k range or close to it. Possibly more if he went all out.
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Then turbo kit and suspension ran me 3700$ and rotating assembly was 2200


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Single turbo or twin?


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Read my last big post, single 76mm


Also got a lot done today in 3 1/2 hours of class time

Here's just before we started
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Read my last big post, single 76mm


Also got a lot done today in 3 1/2 hours of class time

Here's just before we started
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And here's how it sits now
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Wonder how much I can get for all of this? Minus the msd coils, it has ford racing 47lb injectorsAttachment 196002


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I may be interested in the BBK TB/plenum.....PM me if you want to sell that seperately.

Good progress in 3.5 hrs thats for sure.

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Phone didn't update when I made that last post. Looks great.


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I'm 1 hour into it today, got the starter and ground cables under the engine off, wiring harness completely off, and I'm trying to get to the bell housing bolts, any tips to getting some of em? I'm assuming extensions and swivels.

Once the bell housings unbolted, I'm going to hoist the engine up, drop the k member then get the headers unbolted then out comes the engine


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Got a little further today, got a few of the header bolts out and a few bell housing but for the rest are a pain to get to and they are on wayyyyyy to tight.


I tried to post a pic but it's not letting me


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Dude... Pull the engine and trans as one piece. Seriously.

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Wasn't able to get any work done today since I was in the classroom today.

But as for the rotating assembly it comes with ARP rod bolts.

Should I get other ARP bolts and studs for the rest of the engine or just but regular factory type stuff back in it?


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ARP all the way. Pull the engine and trans as one piece and it'll save you a ton of time and effort. Also makes it very easy to do the clutch. And it also makes hooking the trans back up to the motor stupid easy.
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Big profess today, got the k dropped, engine and tranny pulled. The header bolts were a PITA.. But it's done. Only thing now is I gotta put the k back in so I can roll it outside since I can't leave it in the shop at school.

I would like to clean the engine bay up, tuck the wires with a PDF manual for a wire tuck I bought. And maybe paint the engine bay..

I made quite the mess with a combo of coolant, tranny and power steering fluid lol

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