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Old 04-26-2016, 12:55 AM   #1
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Trick Flow Kit(Heads and Cam)

I finally found a capable mechanic in a different city who can Install High Performance upgrades on my Automatic 04 GT. Basically I would like to keep my car naturally aspirated(I like the cam sound) and my goal is ultimately around 330-340 RWHP. With all my bolt ons and Tune, I guesstimate I have currently around 270 RWHP. I hope that 60-70RWHP with high end heads and cam would make that Target plausible.
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Any thoughts about this Trick Flow kit? The Mechanic said this Kit should be all I need for the install, but there is always a possibility that more accessories might be needed. Would there be anything else that I might require? I guess I would eventually need a Torque converter.

...Another option would be a Coyote Swap. However that would cost me more than my entire car($15000 CAN+ parts and labor). So very unlikely. But ooh man, that power to weight ratio would be sweet.
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That should put you within your HP goal!.. But for roughly about the same price, you can just SC and have around 400-450hp!..


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That should put you within your HP goal!.. But for roughly about the same price, you can just SC and have around 400-450hp!..


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Yes, you would be correct. I just did the math and it seems that a Supercharger would be just $1000-$2000 more than cams and head kit+Dyno tune. However, wouldn't the Supercharger be less reliable, since my car is a daily driver? A procharger or a Kenny Bell would be a possibility, but I heard that the Procharger only kicks in around 4000RPM making no additional low RPM Power and Torque. I like the concept of the Twin Screw KennyBell for its power in every RPM, but it might "turn the engine to cheese" according to some reviews. At least those were the reviews I read that make the cam and heads more of an attractive option. Mind you, if anyone would have more experience about those 3 options, I would very much appreciate it.
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Yes, you would be correct. I just did the math and it seems that a Supercharger would be just $1000-$2000 more than cams and head kit+Dyno tune. However, wouldn't the Supercharger be less reliable, since my car is a daily driver? A procharger or a Kenny Bell would be a possibility, but I heard that the Procharger only kicks in around 4000RPM making no additional low RPM Power and Torque. I like the concept of the Twin Screw KennyBell for its power in every RPM, but it might "turn the engine to cheese" according to some reviews. At least those were the reviews I read that make the cam and heads more of an attractive option. Mind you, if anyone would have more experience about those 3 options, I would very much appreciate it.

A third option would be a Turbo set up!.. That would also be roughly the same price as a SC!.. Mind you that your doing all the work yourself!.. Also if you keep the Boost low your engine will hold up just fine!..


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Yes, you would be correct. I just did the math and it seems that a Supercharger would be just $1000-$2000 more than cams and head kit+Dyno tune. However, wouldn't the Supercharger be less reliable, since my car is a daily driver? A procharger or a Kenny Bell would be a possibility, but I heard that the Procharger only kicks in around 4000RPM making no additional low RPM Power and Torque. I like the concept of the Twin Screw KennyBell for its power in every RPM, but it might "turn the engine to cheese" according to some reviews. At least those were the reviews I read that make the cam and heads more of an attractive option. Mind you, if anyone would have more experience about those 3 options, I would very much appreciate it.
I guess I'll chime in on this. A HCI setup will net you somehwere around 330whp if you're lucky. Driveability may suffer depending on the cam setup you go with but you should gain a broader power band.

A Centrifugal blower makes boost as your RPM's rise, I'll post up one of my dyno graphs to show. My first and second gear (manual) don't have a problem building boost quickly and the car feels really responsive, it's only when you try to start building boost in the higher gears that you will notice a severe lag. A Kenne Bell makes full boost instantly, which is a, but I find the power band to be very unexciting and it gets very boring (in my opinion).

I'm gonna be pulling off my Vortech and swapping to an On3 turbo because I've been spoiled driving various other turbo cars.
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Trick Flow Kit(Heads and Cam)

^ does that apply to the Bullitt intake as well? Power wise.


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^ does that apply to the Bullitt intake as well? Power wise.


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Swap out a GT intake for a Bullitt intake.


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Ah, the Bullitt intake supposedly picks up a few torque but it isn't really worth swapping too considering the cost involved. Ideally you would run an Victor Jr. manifold or find a fancy HPS intake, but both of those are a lot of money to throw at a car to still only make 330-340whp.
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^ does that apply to the Bullitt intake as well? Power wise.


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If you are referring to supercharged applications, the flow characteristics of the intake manifold become less important because the intake manifold basically becomes a pressure vessel to store compressed air until it is required by the engine.
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I wouldn't do head and cam just forced induction and good safe tune and be done


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I know people who have built NA 2v's and then got bus lengthed by their grandma on her hoveround scooter so badly that she had to use binoculars in her rearview to even see them.

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NA 4.6L even at 330hp is going to be a turd compared to something like a 330hp F body. Redline of 5800 to keep the stock rods alive doesn't even start to come close to utilizing the flow potential of the TFS heads.

Keep your motor together and go with a power adder. Get a converter and suspension work done first on your car, launching a bolt on 2V with a good converter will feel like you added a 100 shot to it at takeoff. Then look into forced induction or nitrous. But the redline of the stock 2V is always going to be a big limiting factor.
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If you are referring to supercharged applications, the flow characteristics of the intake manifold become less important because the intake manifold basically becomes a pressure vessel to store compressed air until it is required by the engine.

I wasn't.


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NA, I don't think that you would see much difference in peak power. But they do smooth out the power curve over a stock GT manifold.

Plus, they're pretty!
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It's what I've noticed.


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NA, I don't think that you would see much difference in peak power. But they do smooth out the power curve over a stock GT manifold.

Plus, they're pretty!
They also add 30lbs to the nose of the car and hold heat more than plastic does.









































Says the guy who is going to a metal intake as well.
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They also add 30lbs to the nose of the car and hold heat more than plastic does.



















































































Says the guy who is going to a metal intake as well.

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My TrickFlow Intake!.. Don't even feel the added weight of the metal intake!.. Plus minimal difference in heat too!..


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Thank you everyone for the feedback. Gives me a lot to think about. I guess Supercharging would be the more bang for buck course of action HP wise.
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Thank you everyone for the feedback. Gives me a lot to think about. I guess Supercharging would be the more bang for buck course of action HP wise.
It is. Stock heads, cams and intake and a vortech is 400+ and will have stock street manners and gas mileage when you keep your foot out of it. Why I'm doing a stock HCI 4v with a blower. I'll get 20+ mpg cruising and a metric assload of power over 3500.

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