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Old 07-22-2016, 03:23 PM   #1
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True coil overs vs 'semi' coil overs.

I have been looking at coil overs with an eye towards next summer's automotive indulgence.

There are true coil overs like MM's where the rear spring is replaced by a coil over and there are the cheaters where a spring and adjustable perch go where the spring currently sits. The shock and the spring are in different locations.

This look to me to be basically the same as the stock setup with some adjustabilty. You would not get the improvement in wheel rate which is one of the reasons to go with coil overs.

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You don't need coilovers unless you need the adjustability. Either get a good set of coilovers like MMs or get a good set of the OEM setup like HR race springs and Bilsteins.

And remember, you get what you pay for, suspension is maybe THE biggest area you do not want to try to be a cheap *** in. Unlike a motor blowing or a trans shelling out, a suspension failure can very easily kill you or someone else.
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I have H&R Supersports on my 96 GT with Koni STR.T shocks, Tokico HP struts, and MM CC plates. I like this set up it rides firmer and more planted than my 03 with new OEM grade shocks/struts from the previous owner and SR lowering springs. The Supersports got me the 1 3/4 lower in the front now that I removed the isos yesterday and the SRs actually got me a little more than the 1 3/4 in the front verse the H&Rs. The 03 rides good and feels better but the 96 has more of the riding on "rails" feel.

Like Scotty said get some good dampners, lowering springs, CC plates if lower than 1.5"s and rock that.

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The 03: SR lowering springs (1.5" lower claimed I got a little more than that and also no isos), no isos, new OEM grade Monroe dampners

The 96: H&R Supersport lowering springs (1.7" front and 1.6" rear lower claimed I got about right on that with no isos), no isos, Koni STR.T shocks, Tokico HP struts, Maximum Motorsports caster/camber plates.

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I'll post a pic of mine soon with the MM coilovers soon once I finish up the irs swap. Also just on a side note, coilovers or springs and struts by themselves don't make a great handling car. Ya it's an improvement but to really get the most out of either one you need to go further in detail with your mods. I would suggest all control arm bushings at a minimum and cc plates either way you go.

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Coilovers are nice due to strut clearance when stuffing a fat tire up front. If you go with MM coil overs, they use a hyper coil spring, which you can replace for different rates in increments of 25lbs. Height adjustability is nice as well to get proper control arm geometry. For a true performance application nothing can touch a coil over.

Now if performance is the goal, the rear end needs major work. Most importantly an adjustable pan hard bar, or a Watts link. Combined with a Torque Arm.... That is for the solid axle, though.
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I would recommend against rear coilovers unless you replace the lower mount and have it welded on the axle. No way I trust 1 small bolt and a few tack welds.

Personally I have strange coilovers on the front of my car with weight jacker lower control arms on the rear. All of the adjustability without worrying about the factory mount on the rear. I did weld the factory mount to the axle for peace of mind. Made the swap to spherical bushings on the housing side and the car leaves straight without beating you to death.

The strange coilover kit is quality on a budget. Would recommend it 10x over the cheap upr kit. I bought a pair of hypercoil springs and have no complaints.

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Would I be correct in assuming "isos" are the urethane spring isolators?
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Thanks for the input guys.

I think I will go for the Bilsteins and get them grooved from MM. I will try it for a season with the Eibach Pro springs I currently have on the car. The stock springs will be gone and that may be all I need. If not, with the grooves I have options.
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Sounds good!!

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I would recommend against rear coilovers unless you replace the lower mount and have it welded on the axle. No way I trust 1 small bolt and a few tack welds.
MM has a coilover mounting bracket. It is much beefiier looking and uses 2 bolts. It is how I am rationalizing their coilovers vs cheaper systems.
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MM has a coilover mounting bracket. It is much beefiier looking and uses 2 bolts. It is how I am rationalizing their coilovers vs cheaper systems.
Definitely looks nicer. I would still have it welded and reinforce the upper mount. I prefer overbuilding than a failure.

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Scottydsntknow said essentially the same thing. The last things you want to fail is suspension and brakes.
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