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Old 04-03-2018, 03:57 PM   #1
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Should I get a dyno tune?

Hey guys I just got done my intake swap and the car runs great but wondering if it's time for a dyno tune? Engine wise my car has cams ported pi heads bbk tuned length headers offroad h pipe magnapack catback stage 2 clutch lightened flywheel edlebrock victor jr. Mmr fuel rails 21 lb injectors 78mm bbk throttle body and plenum egr delete k&n intake and underdrive pullies i dont think I'm forgetting anything and I'm not gonna get into the gears and suspension mods lol. I didn't do the cams or port the heads so I'm not sure what it's got in that sense I'm gonna assume by the sound it sounds like it has some kinda stage 2 cams but not sure and it probably has springs but not sure about that either.. I'm getting valve covers soon and I'll try to find out what it has then. Anyways the car is on a pretty base tune just an sct x4 programmer I have were I just go in and adjust things like rev limiters and turn this on or turn that off but that's all. The car runs awesome and is pretty fast for a 2v it pulls hard all the way to 6500 rpms where I have my rev limiter set I've run 3v's and mach 1's and beat them all the time. I was wondering if you guys think it's time for a dyno tune to see if I can squeeze out some more power with my mods and get it running even better or wait it out because I'm planning on putting a procharger on it once I see the right time and when I find out what cams it has. Ideas? Thanks and sorry for the rant

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Old 04-04-2018, 04:04 AM   #2
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Old 04-04-2018, 05:31 AM   #3
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Yes. Get a dyno tune.
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Old 04-04-2018, 05:34 AM   #4
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So you say go for it how much better would the car run

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If you can afford it do it, otherwise wait for the blower when you will definitely need a tune. Impossible to say how much better it will run, but it should run better and safer.
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Yeah I have the money to do it. I wanna put a blower on it but that might not be for a year or so from now so I think it might be worth dyno tuning it now also plus I can see what it makes

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Step 1, get rid of those rice HIDs... Step 2, install a wideband if you don't already have one. Step 3, yes you for sure need a tune. Either a good remote one or take it to a shop. Wicked Motorsports in Toms River, NJ is great and about 1.5 hours away from you. Or just do it online. Not with Bama... an actual remote tune from a real tuner. Recommend Tuning by James if you go that route.


Edit: Step 4. Suspension, suspension SUSPENSION. All the "go fast" mods and stock suspension makes your car the car that "skipped leg day". Power is great but if you can't put it to the ground then its useless.
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I need the LED's due to my smoked headlights it's still dark so with the regular bulbs I can't see anything at all.. and the car has subframe connectors upper and lower control arms struts and lowering springs. Also it has 315's in the rear so it has some tire but yes I am gonna get better ones

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That's a lot of wheel gap up front... eh well maybe it's the picture. Y not just put the regular OEM 01-04 style lights back in with some good halogens? They are already factory smoked and look great.

But honestly with aftermarket cams and that intake I wouldn't even drive the car without getting a solid "good enough to safely start" tune on it. And hopefully you do already have a wideband. If not you are flying blind and you really do need one for the tune.
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I like the smoked headlights I think they add a good look. And there's some gap but not a lot it has eibachs all around. And no wideband yet but I'm getting one as soon as I can. I'd like to give Kevin a call at wicked or maybe evolution performance I heard decent things from them but I never heard a bad thing about wicked so i think I'll go with them. How much do you think they'd run me for a dyno tune around 500?

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He quoted me $600-something. A good remote tune will cost you half that. All depends on what you want to do. But you def. need a wideband.
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Yes especially if I start playing with boost I need one asap. I'd like to put it on a dyno though interested to see what it makes

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I called Kevin at wicked and he quoted me 750 for a tune. I can do it but it's a little steep so I bought a wideband afr gauge kit to match my oil pressure and water temp gauge and I'll throw it in and see what she's reading at. What ratios should I be looking for at idle and WOT?

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Idle will be all over, you want the WOT AFR to be low-high 12s but nothing into the 13s. When I stab the throttle in mine it goes 12.3, climbs to like 12.6 or 12.7 and stays there but... eyeballing the wideband is not really super accurate. You need to be logging while you are doing it and have a good tuner go over your logs. And even if your wideband is showing your AFR is close... you still need a tune if you have aftermarket cams, its not really optional to have the car running properly.


Get in touch with James Gordon at "Tuning by James". Email him, he might take a few days to get back to you but he will get back and is a great guy who worked for SVT during the Terminator days and is now one of Steeda's big tuners. If you have a good wideband and a SCT device you can get a dead nuts tune just via back and forth logfiles with him for less than half of what Wicked quoted you. Wicked is definitely good but... IMO he is really overpriced. If you just want to go and get it done in a few hours tho vs a week or two of back and forth logging... up to you.


Oh, as far as a wideband, don't get a Glowshift. James told me SPECIFICALLY to avoid that brand.
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Honestly I feel like I'd be lost tuning my car that way. What do you do send him over all the vehicle information and mods? The 750 was a little high sounding but I feel like it would be the best option I've heard amazing things about wicked... btw I think my car is running crazy rich me and a buddy who also has a 2v with the same gearing and bolt ons )besides the cams and ported heads) went on a ride that was 87 miles he didn't burn any more then a quarter tank where as I burned over half a tank of gas and my car crackles a lottttttt during down shifting

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Its easy to tune your car that way, I can walk you through it if you are using SCT. I had no idea my first time and I figured it out. You basically have to know the formula for your wideband (should be on the website), plug that into the SCT software and then have the wideband properly hooked up to the tuner. That is honestly more of a PITA than actually using the software. For a SCT device you have to either buy a modded Firewire or mod your own firewire to bug into the analog output wire of your wideband. Not hard, just a pain running the wire behind the dash mostly and shooting the firewire so you know what pins are what. This is all written up on multiple websites, its not hard with a $5 Harbor Freight Multi Meter and a basic crimping set.

The firewire plugs into the SCT tuner and the SCT tuner plugs into the OBD2 port and then the SCT USB cable goes to a laptop in the passenger seat. At this point once you setup the SCT software you just hit start and then whatever you do after that is logged. You send the log to your tuner and they will analyze and send you a modified tune. You do that 3 or 4 times and you'll be close or good.

If this sounds really scary and complicated its not... it's really not. I'll go get some pics of my setup later and I can even email you my config file as it should be the exact same for yours.
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Or if you just want to do it once and forget it you can pay 2 or 3x as much at Wicked lol. That might sound like I'm bashing Kevin... I'm not... his tunes are great he just charges a little much because he can. I would too if I was him honestly... that is the going rate in NJ.
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Do you need a good laptop or download any type of software? I'm in no type tech savvy lol

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I have a laptop from 2012 and I did fine. The software is just SCT livelink, its free on their site.
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Now does it matter if the tuner had bama tunes on it before?

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No, as long as its unlocked or married to your car.
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It was locked to my old mustang but I unmarried it and started using it on my 01 that I have now but it doesn't have bama tunes anymore it's just custom like whatever I choose to change

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Got my car dyno tuned at wicked motorsports and these are the results

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That's on the high end of a cammed NA 2V with stock heads. Gears and suspension and take it to Atco and get some practice in.
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It has 4.10 gears subframe connectors 10.5 inch rims (need better tires though) upper and lower control arms koni struts and lowering springs. Suspension wise it's not bad. So you guys think there pretty decent numbers for what it is? Kevin said he was expecting less out of it

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Yeah that is a very good number for a cammed 2V. Most of them are in the 275/280 range. Should have no problem getting into the mid-low 12s with a good set of sticky tires and some practice at the track. Stock valvesprings should be good for 6500rpm shifts... hopefully the limiter has been modified accordingly. I shift at 7300 lol. That is a 4V but still stock springs...
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Kevin set my limiter to 6700 rpms but told me dont go much higher then 64-6500 he said try to stay away from the rev limiter lol. My old shifts were at about 6-6200 and I'll say it still pulls great up to 6500 where as a stock 2v dies off around 5800 this car stays flat which is nice. He said those were good numbers for a stock pi head with cams guess it's time for some nittos huh

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Nice numbers, is there still a difference between different dynamotor's in numbers?
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Yes theres different types of dynos but it also depends on whose entering the info into the dyno. Generally mustang dynos read the lowest numbers

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