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Old 07-28-2007, 05:32 PM   #141
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Well, here are the stock curb weights from Ford. If anyone knows, I would think they would.

2003 Cobra Curb Weight : 3664 LBS (coupe)
2005 Mustang GT Curb Weight : 3425 LBS (coupe)

The key to this is understaning that 3425 pounds is indeed less than 3664 pounds. I know it's hard.
I thought Ford claimed that the 05 GT weighed 3520lbs? Ford way underrated the weigh of the 05's, they rated the Cobras pretty accurately from what I seen. I thought Ford rated the New Edge GT's at 3420lbs and the 05's are suppose to be about 200lbs more. I would imagen that if you were to weight both cars stock on the same scale they would be relatively close.

Here is a little discussion on the Terminators weight. Note that some of these are not stock so that will change the weight of the car. Some might be heavier and some might be lighter than a stock Cobra depending on mods.

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You said a 600 rwhp Fox. You didn't say a 600 rwhp 302. By the way, how much would that GT500 motor run you these days?
I think Ford is charging the same for the GT500 motor as they were for the Terminator motor which is around $13,500 if I'm not mistaking. You could honestly build yourself a better motor for cheaper. You can buy a much stronger Shortblock than they Terminators stock one for less than $3,000. Many owners do this for insurance when they start adding screw blowers or twins. MMR, VT, and Al Papitto all make great shortblocks for Terminators, but you'll need to get all the other parts if your starting from scratch and IDK what all that will cost. Supercharger, heads, intercooler, plus everything else.

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I thought you were all about street cars? What does it matter how hard it pulls in the upper RPMs if it has more torque than an 18-wheeler? Saying a 302 doesn't pull as well in the upper RPMs is a very broad statement too. Ever heard of a Boss 302? It all depends on the combo.
Why can't you have good topend in a street car? My car makes good power at every spot in the RPM range.

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Well, lets talk about cargo area instead. A Fox hatch has tons more cargo area than an 03-04 Cobra. I fit an entire drum set in the back of mine once.
I can fit a full grown adult in the back of mine... I think.

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here's one for you. Rob and i want to the track tonight. well we both got our best runs yeat. Rob went 12.66 forgot the MPH and I ran 11.76 at 115MPH not bad for a s197 ya think
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here's one for you. Rob and i want to the track tonight. well we both got our best runs yeat. Rob went 12.66 forgot the MPH and I ran 11.76 at 115MPH not bad for a s197 ya think
that thing is just soooo heavy... you coulda run 6s if it were as light as teh cobra commander!
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that thing is just soooo heavy... you coulda run 6s if it were as light as teh cobra commander!
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here's one for you. Rob and i want to the track tonight. well we both got our best runs yeat. Rob went 12.66 forgot the MPH and I ran 11.76 at 115MPH not bad for a s197 ya think
Good job, very nice! I thought your car had 11's in it.

So Rob what did you trap?
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I don't remember for sure but it was around 115 I know for sure it wasn't over his best of 117. he wasable to launch the car without spinning. but he finally kill his spec stage III clutch. slipping bad
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And it could make blueberry muffins too.
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here's one for you. Rob and i want to the track tonight. well we both got our best runs yeat. Rob went 12.66 forgot the MPH and I ran 11.76 at 115MPH not bad for a s197 ya think
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Good job, very nice! I thought your car had 11's in it.

So Rob what did you trap?
My first two runs were 12.96x @ 114.25 and 113.86. PRetty consistent. The second run I Couldn't get the car out of 4th after going through the traps. It finally came out after I turned off the track onto the return road when I got down to about 20 mph.

The third run of the night was the 12.666 @ 115.97. Still had ****ty 60 tims (2.3x for the first two runs 2.2x for the third). On the third run the clutch was just spinning away through first. It was not a happy camper.

However, I am not only about half a loser as I finally got out of the 13s in my 11 second car. lol
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Who gives a ****. Stop talking **** over the internet about each others cars. I'll keep deleting posts if you can't start posting without insulting each other.
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hey i was just provn a point. just cause u got an older car doesnt mean anything it can still b fast. i got an 84 GT, 99 coupe, and a 02 GT it just pisses me off when someone talks **** on someone elses car just cause there **** is newer.
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it just pisses me off when someone talks **** on someone elses car
Me too, thats why I always get in it with the Foxbody guys.
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So pretty much foxbodies are useless without a modular motor for reliability... I'm not even going to mess with what has been said on the past couple pages.....

JROC is only concerned with having a good looking good performing(as in high MPH in the 1/4, who cares what ET is ) and something that is good for roll racing... Oh well... Another loss of an 03 cobra... I'm through with this. It's getting passed childish.
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I don't know about yall but they EFI systems for 351w with that you can have a 600hp N/A foxbody that runs as smooth as a new car
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If people are too stupid to realize how great a Fox can be, just leave them be. That just means more Foxes will be left out there for the rest of us. Besides, ignorance is bliss. Let 'em be happy.
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If people are too stupid to realize how great a Fox can be, just leave them be. That just means more Foxes will be left out there for the rest of us. Besides, ignorance is bliss. Let 'em be happy.
eh, fox's do have their advantages...but any car, fox or otherwise, can be fast with the right DRIVER and enough money...
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So pretty much foxbodies are useless without a modular motor for reliability... I'm not even going to mess with what has been said on the past couple pages.....

JROC is only concerned with having a good looking good performing(as in high MPH in the 1/4, who cares what ET is ) and something that is good for roll racing... Oh well... Another loss of an 03 cobra... I'm through with this.
It's getting passed childish.
Whatever, you where acting childish to, and still are with that post.

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I don't know about yall but they EFI systems for 351w with that you can have a 600hp N/A foxbody that runs as smooth as a new car
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If people are too stupid to realize how great a Fox can be, just leave them be. That just means more Foxes will be left out there for the rest of us. Besides, ignorance is bliss. Let 'em be happy.
I know that Foxbodies can be some very badass cars. I tell you what else is stupid, is people thinking that there little bolton Foxes have something on a bolton 03/04 Cobra.
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This is getting ridiculous, even to me, y'all just need to quit this penis fight and just let **** go!
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dude I have built them. I used to build 600+hp shelby cobras with EFI that you start ice cold and walk away from and it would ilde fine. and get 20MPG with 3.73s on the highway. please don't make commets on something you know nothing about
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dude I have built them. I used to build 600+hp shelby cobras with EFI that you start ice cold and walk away from and it would ilde fine. and get 20MPG with 3.73s on the highway. please don't make commets on something you know nothing about

It might would idle fine, but saying it would run as smooth as a new car is a bold statement. Thats a lot of N/A hp for 351 ci of dispacement. Could you even make a N/A 600 hp LS7 run as smoothly as a new car or build a N/A 351 to make that hp on pump gas? When you say run as smooth as a new car what are you talking about, a Carrera GT, or your Mustang GT maybe? High hp N/A motors are not suppose to be smooth running.
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Why can none of you let **** go? Take it to PMs or something. Sheesh.
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It might would idle fine, but saying it would run as smooth as a new car is a bold statement. Thats a lot of N/A hp for 351 ci of dispacement. Could you even make a N/A 600 hp LS7 run as smoothly as a new car or build a N/A 351 to make that hp on pump gas? When you say run as smooth as a new car what are you talking about, a Carrera GT, or your Mustang GT maybe? High hp N/A motors are not suppose to be smooth running.
you can make 600hp out of an LS7 with just boltons and a tune without even going into the engine. as far as the 351w I didn't say they were 351ci. it was more like 427ci from a 351w platform
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I know that Foxbodies can be some very badass cars. I tell you what else is stupid, is people thinking that there little bolton Foxes have something on a bolton 03/04 Cobra.
Yeah, it's even more stupid when they can. Really stupid.

Not to give Rob too much hell, but his bolt-on Cobra is running 12.6s with pretty serious bolt-ons. Hell, before the other day his best time was a low 13.

Do you really think there are no bolt-on foxes that can outrun that? Honestly? You promise? Pinky swear?
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Yeah, it's even more stupid when they can. Really stupid.

Not to give Rob too much hell, but his bolt-on Cobra is running 12.6s with pretty serious bolt-ons. Hell, before the other day his best time was a low 13.

Do you really think there are no bolt-on foxes that can outrun that? Honestly? You promise? Pinky swear?
****...a 5 year old girl on a huffy could probably outrun me when I try and launch my car at the track.

In reality, with a real driver, my car should be low 11s. However, this brings us back to the fact that your car is only as fast as the driver. In my case, I am the first to admit I am a ****ty driver at the track.

I do agree with you though, a well modded fox should outrun a well bolton cobra...much lighter, increased HP = better power to weight = faster time with drivers being equal.
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****...a 5 year old girl on a huffy could probably outrun me when I try and launch my car at the track.

In reality, with a real driver, my car should be low 11s. However, this brings us back to the fact that your car is only as fast as the driver. In my case, I am the first to admit I am a ****ty driver at the track.

I do agree with you though, a well modded fox should outrun a well bolton cobra...much lighter, increased HP = better power to weight = faster time with drivers being equal.
Don't feel bad. I was the same way in my white car. The best 60' I ever got out of it was a 1.9 (with drag radials... ). I shall not disclose what it was like on street tires.
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you can make 600hp out of an LS7 with just boltons and a tune without even going into the engine. as far as the 351w I didn't say they were 351ci. it was more like 427ci from a 351w platform
I'd just give up cobra, it's like explaining the laws of thermodynamics to a ADD'er on cocaine. You try to make a point on one topic, assumptions are made then the topic changes and new questions arise. Just think bright shiny objects. I'll be the first to admit to that I am one of the causers of cluttering up this thread so, we might as well just start another one heheheheh....

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