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Old 02-28-2011, 09:49 AM   #141
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Ok. That's good. So the street one can give me 30? I don't really want to put high octane fuel in my car. It's too expensive
Umm, the street tune will give you the gains I said before.
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Umm, the street tune will give you the gains I said before.
I you can only use 87 octane gas, you'll only get up to about 25hp even with the race tune
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I you can only use 87 octane gas, you'll only get up to about 25hp even with the race tune
K. Sounds good to me. Worth the money u think?
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K. Sounds good to me. Worth the money u think?
Umm, if youre willing to run 89, and the performance tune, definitely. I could see 25-30hp total gains.
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you will not gain 30rwhp on a tune for a 99-04 V6 mustang with basic mods or stock, it just wont happen. Expect 7-10 rwhp maybe~ it all just depends. The 05+ GT's (not sure on V6's) seem to do great with tunes but the 94-04 V6s just dont. Still though 10rwhp isnt terrible for a tune~ if its an auto a tune from someone that knows what they are doing will also help the shifts greatly and the car will be faster from that alone.

As far as throttle adjustment making the car feel faster, it will make it feel that way but its just an illusion as less petal input to get to more throttle~ feels faster but its the same. Also not that the cable stretches back out eventually... so its kind of a waste to do.

Get a friend to sit in your car, pop your hood and go over to the throttle body. Get your friend to push the gas petal all the way down, see if you can move the throttle body any more open, you probably cant. That just means its open as much as it can be and it wont help to take up any slack in the throttle cable.
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you will not gain 30rwhp on a tune for a 99-04 V6 mustang with basic mods or stock, it just wont happen. Expect 7-10 rwhp maybe~ it all just depends. The 05+ GT's (not sure on V6's) seem to do great with tunes but the 94-04 V6s just dont. Still though 10rwhp isnt terrible for a tune~ if its an auto a tune from someone that knows what they are doing will also help the shifts greatly and the car will be faster from that alone.

As far as throttle adjustment making the car feel faster, it will make it feel that way but its just an illusion as less petal input to get to more throttle~ feels faster but its the same. Also not that the cable stretches back out eventually... so its kind of a waste to do.

Get a friend to sit in your car, pop your hood and go over to the throttle body. Get your friend to push the gas petal all the way down, see if you can move the throttle body any more open, you probably cant. That just means its open as much as it can be and it wont help to take up any slack in the throttle cable.
K. I have an automatic so I am excited about shifting points. I just don't want to not be happy with he results. It's like 350 $. A lot for 10 hp. I could just save it for a V8. Lol. Do you think it's worth the money?
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Will diablosport give me the exact same gain?
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10rwhp is equivalent to ~12-17 hp at the crank (based on parasitic loss). So it's not too bad, and I've heard the transmission improvements are worth the $400 alone.

Keep in mind, the improvements to the car are going to make it faster and feel much better...compared to a stock v6. Don't expect to have more hp than a v8 and be able to outrun one with a tuned transmission.

If you want v8 performance, put the money towards one and get that v8. If you can settle for a "fast v6", then keep modding, but I'm sure you'll want more after you're done...just like some v8 guys do with their GT's and Mach 1's. hint hint, Terminator
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10rwhp is equivalent to ~12-17 hp at the crank (based on parasitic loss). So it's not too bad, and I've heard the transmission improvements are worth the $400 alone.

Keep in mind, the improvements to the car are going to make it faster and feel much better...compared to a stock v6. Don't expect to have more hp than a v8 and be able to outrun one with a tuned transmission.

If you want v8 performance, put the money towards one and get that v8. If you can settle for a "fast v6", then keep modding, but I'm sure you'll want more after you're done...just like some v8 guys do with their GT's and Mach 1's. hint hint, Terminator
Oh I don't. I just want a little more kick in my stang. That's all.
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10rwhp is equivalent to ~12-17 hp at the crank (based on parasitic loss). So it's not too bad, and I've heard the transmission improvements are worth the $400 alone.

Keep in mind, the improvements to the car are going to make it faster and feel much better...compared to a stock v6. Don't expect to have more hp than a v8 and be able to outrun one with a tuned transmission.

If you want v8 performance, put the money towards one and get that v8. If you can settle for a "fast v6", then keep modding, but I'm sure you'll want more after you're done...just like some v8 guys do with their GT's and Mach 1's. hint hint, Terminator
I'm in love with the SALEEN. Haha. I know I won't ever get one till i get out of college. But wow. Beautiful beautiful cars
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If I buy a SCT SF3 / X3 Power Flash Tuner w/ 3 Free Custom Tunes, how much hp will I receive on the non racing tune if I have performance BORLA exhaust and a CAI installed ( I know they don't do anything lol) I just want to know the increase in torque and hp for a 01 v6
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K. I was expecting 30
Dream on. The 4.6 doesn't get 30
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I you can only use 87 octane gas, you'll only get up to about 25hp even with the race tune
Sorry man. Not on a new edge sixxer. Maybe 05 and up but the 3.8 or 3.9 are pretty much tapped out from ford
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Umm, if youre willing to run 89, and the performance tune, definitely. I could see 25-30hp total gains.
You might get 30 with every bolt on you can have and long tubes. It amazing how wrong info gets spread so quickly
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Will diablosport give me the exact same gain?
Pretty much
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10rwhp is equivalent to ~12-17 hp at the crank (based on parasitic loss). So it's not too bad, and I've heard the transmission improvements are worth the $400 alone.

Keep in mind, the improvements to the car are going to make it faster and feel much better...compared to a stock v6. Don't expect to have more hp than a v8 and be able to outrun one with a tuned transmission.

If you want v8 performance, put the money towards one and get that v8. If you can settle for a "fast v6", then keep modding, but I'm sure you'll want more after you're done...just like some v8 guys do with their GT's and Mach 1's. hint hint, Terminator
Ummmmm an auto loses about 20% in the drivetrain so 10 to the wheels is 12 to the crank. Even more fail
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Poor joshy. Can't talk his way into any more horsepower.
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But he is learning(I hope) so it's not wasted typestrokes. Is it joshy. TTT
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But he is learning(I hope) so it's not wasted typestrokes. Is it joshy. TTT
Nope. Thanks for the info. . I am learning btw haha
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the KEY to a tune is getting someone that knows the car to write it. Dont just buy a tuner and take the default (crappy) tunes they give you. Thats the key.
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the KEY to a tune is getting someone that knows the car to write it. Dont just buy a tuner and take the default (crappy) tunes they give you. Thats the key.
Yah. I'm going to have one of my friends tune it. He has experience in tuning and mechanics specifically to my year of stang
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I got my fog lights from American Muscle and they aren't chrome. They are crappy silver paint already chipping off. One of the worst things I've ever paid 90 $ for. What a waste.
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Ummmmm an auto loses about 20% in the drivetrain so 10 to the wheels is 12 to the crank. Even more fail
Forgot the "~" before the 10rhwp, lol. But the parasitic loss is based on many different variables...there are cars that had less than 20% and more than 20%.
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Forgot the "~" before the 10rhwp, lol. But the parasitic loss is based on many different variables...there are cars that had less than 20% and more than 20%.
I'm confused. So it makes the tranny worse??
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I'm confused. So it makes the tranny worse??
No, parasitic loss involves physics and mechanical advantage.
It's perfectly normal and is present in just about every internal combustion engine/transmission/drivetrain out there.

Generally for every mechanical advantage, there is 10% parasitic loss as a result of friction. There are many different variables to consider when determining and witnessing power numbers after parasitic loss takes effect.

Some convenience accessories - AC, larger audio systems all can add to parasitic loss. But with autos, it's mostly in the transmission, driveshaft and gearing (within the transmission). Some transmissions may have less contacting parts resulting in less friction. It's fairly straightforward...when power is applied to the system, more force is applied to moving components resulting in friction. When more power is applied, more force is applied resulting in increasing friction, but proportionately. I think parasitic loss is a flat rate, not on a curve. A 700hp car doesn't have parasitic loss for the first 350hp, then have no loss for the remainder. It has the same percentage rate throughout.
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No, parasitic loss involves physics and mechanical advantage.
It's perfectly normal and is present in just about every internal combustion engine/transmission/drivetrain out there.

Generally for every mechanical advantage, there is 10% parasitic loss as a result of friction. There are many different variables to consider when determining and witnessing power numbers after parasitic loss takes effect.

Some convenience accessories - AC, larger audio systems all can add to parasitic loss. But with autos, it's mostly in the transmission, driveshaft and gearing (within the transmission). Some transmissions may have less contacting parts resulting in less friction. It's fairly straightforward...when power is applied to the system, more force is applied to moving components resulting in friction. When more power is applied, more force is applied resulting in increasing friction, but proportionately. I think parasitic loss is a flat rate, not on a curve. A 700hp car doesn't have parasitic loss for the first 350hp, then have no loss for the remainder. It has the same percentage rate throughout.
Ok. I think I know what you mean now. Thanks for clearing that up.
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How much hp should I expect if I have 4.10 gears, a CAI and a good but not race tune?
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Not much more than you have now.
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How much hp should I expect if I have 4.10 gears, a CAI and a good but not race tune?
You won't see huge gains hp wise...maybe 10rhwp max. But with 4.10 gears and a solid tune with adjustments to the auto transmission the car will feel much quicker. The gears will help acceleration and the tuned transmission will shift much better and firmer.

The 99-04 v6's and GT's really don't respond to bolt ons. They need built internals and/or FI.
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Would I still be able to burn out if I got a TLock and 4.10 gears? I was going to get the TLock from a junkyard and just buy some 4.10 gears. I have an auto btw hence (4.10)
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I don't see why you couldn't. The 4.10's will make it easier, tlok will let you spin both instead of that one wheel peel. I broke mine loose the other day with stock gears on no tlok and it was too easy to do. I regret it a lot though, poor tires.

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I don't see why you couldn't. The 4.10's will make it easier, tlok will let you spin both instead of that one wheel peel. I broke mine loose the other day with stock gears on no tlok and it was too easy to do. I regret it a lot though, poor tires.

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Lol. K. Are there a lot of complications with stickin a TLock on a 6?
Nope. Nothing but traction bud

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