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Old 02-15-2012, 04:10 PM   #36
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Haha but why not both. I didn't want this to get this serious. I actually really want to work for ford when I graduate. I love the direction the company is going in and I want to be a part of it.
Just let me know when the average hard workin middle class american can afford the ford supercar u are dreaming of. If I'm not mistaken the ford gt was in the $150-250k price range!
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Just let me know when the average hard workin middle class american can afford the ford supercar u are dreaming of. If I'm not mistaken the ford gt was in the $150-250k price range!
To be perfectly honest that's exactly what I want to do. A great car does non have to cost 6 figures. Look at the Nissan gtr. It's getting pretty close with amazing performance. It's attention to detail that really makes a great car. As for the boss vs zl1 that's pretty damn funny. I would love to see 2013 zl1 bs 2013 gt500.
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Koenigsegg! And if that ain't a supercar then I'll send you ten bucks
+11. And I do believe Pagani?.. Did the same!... Using essentially what was a Terminator motor!..

A true "Super Car" will never cost less than 6 figures!.. And I would hardly call the GTR one!.. I saw a vid of a new 5.0 on slicks beat on in the 1/4!... And try call some of these "Super Cars" quality cars?.. HA!!... Look at the required service intervals on them vs what Ford or Chevy have on their products!.. Lol my brother-n-law had a 1984 Escort for over 10yrs and never changed the oil or anything in it!.. Car still ran like a top!!... Lol. I would like to see a Ferrari do that!.. Lol.
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+11. And I do believe Pagani?.. Did the same!... Using essentially what was a Terminator motor!..

A true "Super Car" will never cost less than 6 figures!.. And I would hardly call the GTR one!.. I saw a vid of a new 5.0 on slicks beat on in the 1/4!... And try call some of these "Super Cars" quality cars?.. HA!!... Look at the required service intervals on them vs what Ford or Chevy have on their products!.. Lol my brother-n-law had a 1984 Escort for over 10yrs and never changed the oil or anything in it!.. Car still ran like a top!!... Lol. I would like to see a Ferrari do that!.. Lol.
Not to mention the cost of the other services! I can do a brake job on my stang's front brakes in 30 mins or less in my driveway! Try doing that on a bmw, ferrari, or any so called supercar!
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Calling Bull ***** on the 10 years without changing oil
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I think the point is fords missing its viper its corvett its 65 daytona coup so to speak tge shelbys nice but not quit right for the class being based on a sport coupe 4 seater and the ford gt dosent have the right feel to it.
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Calling Bull ***** on the 10 years without changing oil
He owns several other cars!.. Late 60s mostly!.. He picked that one up at a police auction for a couple hundred bucks!.. He used it as his DD!... He didn't care about!.. It didn't burn oil or anything and he figured if it ever broke down, or got into an accident and he couldn't fix it, then he is out what $200?.. Lol. Sure beats risking a 69 H/O, or a 69 VistaCruzer with a 455, or a 69 GTO, or a 84 Grand National!..

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I think the point is fords missing its viper its corvett its 65 daytona coup so to speak tge shelbys nice but not quit right for the class being based on a sport coupe 4 seater and the ford gt dosent have the right feel to it.
True but Ford builds what sells!.. If it don't sell then they don't build it!.. The GT didn't sell as well as they had hoped for so they killed it off!.. Same with the ThunderBird!..
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Calling Bull ***** on the 10 years without changing oil
I can't say anything about 10 years but I had a girlfriend who drove 4 years without an oil change in her escort
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+11. And I do believe Pagani?.. Did the same!... Using essentially what was a Terminator motor!..

A true "Super Car" will never cost less than 6 figures!.. And I would hardly call the GTR one!.. I saw a vid of a new 5.0 on slicks beat on in the 1/4!... And try call some of these "Super Cars" quality cars?.. HA!!... Look at the required service intervals on them vs what Ford or Chevy have on their products!.. Lol my brother-n-law had a 1984 Escort for over 10yrs and never changed the oil or anything in it!.. Car still ran like a top!!... Lol. I would like to see a Ferrari do that!.. Lol.
Pagani uses an amg Mercedes engine. And if you put a new gtr and race the 5.0 on a track with corners there's no competition. The new gtr's have beat veyrons to 60
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Pagani uses an amg Mercedes engine. And if you put a new gtr and race the 5.0 on a track with corners there's no competition. The new gtr's have beat veyrons to 60
And again I say, u are comparin a 6 figure foreign car to an affordable muscle car. Not to mention the muscle car with the smallest displacement engine.
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Panoz uses mod ford motors too, if you want ford to build cars like amg or ferrari just stop buying toyotas chevys and fords and just buy ferraris then ford will have no choice but to conform to the changing market, engineers design the car but the accountants have the final approval
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Panoz uses mod ford motors too, if you want ford to build cars like amg or ferrari just stop buying toyotas chevys and fords and just buy ferraris then ford will have no choice but to conform to the changing market, engineers design the car but the accountants have the final approval
And that's depressing to me. There's no passion anymore. It's what makes money not what's the best. There are exceptions obviously, the mustang. There's no sense of national pride when it comes to American cars.
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People just hate ford and Chevy for no reason, perfect example, this girl I know asked her friends if she should get a Mazda 3 or ford Fusion used on Facebook everyone said Mazda cause there more reliable even tho it's the exact same car just different name
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And that's depressing to me. There's no passion anymore. It's what makes money not what's the best. There are exceptions obviously, the mustang. There's no sense of national pride when it comes to American cars.
Again i say ssc. Even shelby america or look at corvettes and vipers and the lot theres tons of american cars that show national pride only they have been going about it wrong all bron no brain at least now were starting to use the tech available
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Again i say ssc. Even shelby america or look at corvettes and vipers and the lot theres tons of american cars that show national pride only they have been going about it wrong all bron no brain at least now were starting to use the tech available
No one but us car guys know or even care about those cars. Talk to any Italian and say Ferrari and there eyes light up. That's what I want. An unmatched love for their nations cars. From little kids to old ladies they all love Ferrari.
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Panoz uses mod ford motors too, if you want ford to build cars like amg or ferrari just stop buying toyotas chevys and fords and just buy ferraris then ford will have no choice but to conform to the changing market, engineers design the car but the accountants have the final approval
+11 and panoz was what I was thinking then!.. Not Paganni!..
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And if we are talking about engineering alone what car drove on the moon? BMW Ferrari or Mercedes? Oh wait Chevy haha
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Only reason it was a chevy is because we didnt wanna risk a ford
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Omg this is rediculas first i am like that when ppl say ford how bout if u want that kind of reaction u start putting a domastic on the pedistol ur self cause it seams to me ur more intrested in f430s or something so hey if u want ppl to "light up" like then well, u start, i have sure lots of others hear do to.
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Man, this thread got long fast lol. You can't compare the 5.0 to the BMW engine. It's not the same application. Yes, the HP is comparable, but not the torque if I remember correctly. You won't see an M3 built for the 1/4 mile the way a mustang is. Each car has its differences, and that is due to the purpose it was made to serve. Why do you think the mustang still has a live axle? Granted, they've made it handle very well, but an IRS wouldn't be able to handle tons of torque on a hard launch for too long. You can't say the engineers have lost passion either. Yes, things are governed by cost, that's what keeps companies like Ford alive. But do some research on the innovations that were implemented on the Coyote motor. I think these guys hit a homerun with this thing. Things look gravy from school, but the real engineering world is different. Everything has constraints, which is why companies choose to focus on different applications. Botton line, both cars are awesome machines.

...end rant lol. Now let's all return to the original thread. I agree, some magazines certainly seem to mix classes of cars in some of their comparisons.
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Lmao that was awsome like watching my son get frustrated at a puzzle throw a fit stop look at it and drop the peace inplace lmao!

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Man, this thread got long fast lol. You can't compare the 5.0 to the BMW engine. It's not the same application. Yes, the HP is comparable, but not the torque if I remember correctly. You won't see an M3 built for the 1/4 mile the way a mustang is. Each car has its differences, and that is due to the purpose it was made to serve. Why do you think the mustang still has a live axle? Granted, they've made it handle very well, but an IRS wouldn't be able to handle tons of torque on a hard launch for too long. You can't say the engineers have lost passion either. Yes, things are governed by cost, that's what keeps companies like Ford alive. But do some research on the innovations that were implemented on the Coyote motor. I think these guys hit a homerun with this thing. Things look gravy from school, but the real engineering world is different. Everything has constraints, which is why companies choose to focus on different applications. Botton line, both cars are awesome machines.

...end rant lol. Now let's all return to the original thread. I agree, some magazines certainly seem to mix classes of cars in some of their comparisons.
I agree 1000% some people just don't understand!
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Man, this thread got long fast lol. You can't compare the 5.0 to the BMW engine. It's not the same application. Yes, the HP is comparable, but not the torque if I remember correctly. You won't see an M3 built for the 1/4 mile the way a mustang is. Each car has its differences, and that is due to the purpose it was made to serve. Why do you think the mustang still has a live axle? Granted, they've made it handle very well, but an IRS wouldn't be able to handle tons of torque on a hard launch for too long. You can't say the engineers have lost passion either. Yes, things are governed by cost, that's what keeps companies like Ford alive. But do some research on the innovations that were implemented on the Coyote motor. I think these guys hit a homerun with this thing. Things look gravy from school, but the real engineering world is different. Everything has constraints, which is why companies choose to focus on different applications. Botton line, both cars are awesome machines.

...end rant lol. Now let's all return to the original thread. I agree, some magazines certainly seem to mix classes of cars in some of their comparisons.
I could not agree with you more. I don't think my position has come across quite so well on this forum. Ford is doing a great job but we've still got some way to go yet. I love the coyote and I think it will go down as one of the best motors ever made. The financial and company restraints is what kills a lot of the passion.
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But look at the passion we have! Do our eyes not light up and the mere mention of a mustang, do we not drive across our country to go to an event dedicated to our beloved stangs?!
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But look at the passion we have! Do our eyes not light up and the mere mention of a mustang, do we not drive across our country to go to an event dedicated to our beloved stangs?!
We do. We are a minority in this country. There are so many people that don't care about cars. There a just a means to an end for them. I'm not questioning anyone on this forum because obviously we all love cars, that's why were here. Most Americans don't like American cars. That's what I want to change. You'd be hard pressed to find a true Italian that doesn't at least appreciate a Ferrari.
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And I would be hard pressed to care about Italians lol. For as screwed up as our country has gotten I still love it! Side note drive a supersnake down the road and try and find a person that doesn't rubber neck to find out where the most beautiful sound they have ever heard is coming from!
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And I would be hard pressed to care about Italians lol. For as screwed up as our country has gotten I still love it! Side note drive a supersnake down the road and try and find a person that doesn't rubber neck to find out where the most beautiful sound they have ever heard is coming from!
I dont care about them either, but their sense of national pride towards those cars is what I care about. We dont have that here and thats what I want. I love my country too, but the people we share it with are losing their minds. they would rather buy a damn prius or nissan leaf than an American car. on the note of a supersnake yes it sounds good, but if you want to talk about head turning sounds you simply cant beat a ferrari, or a lambo v12. its the pure sound of meticulously engineered masterpiece.
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Don't get me started on all these hybrid useless crap cars. I don't need to get high mpg's, my car runs on pure hopes and dreams!
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I dont care about them either, but their sense of national pride towards those cars is what I care about. We dont have that here and thats what I want. I love my country too, but the people we share it with are losing their minds. they would rather buy a damn prius or nissan leaf than an American car. on the note of a supersnake yes it sounds good, but if you want to talk about head turning sounds you simply cant beat a ferrari, or a lambo v12. its the pure sound of meticulously engineered masterpiece.
It's not pride!.. It's arrogance!.. And that Ferrari is a POS!.. They are high maintenance crap at best!.. Not to mention that routine maintenance on them will cost you an arm and a leg at least!.. And if you don't think they are crap then you need to check out the documentary that Ford did when they were building the GT!.. Ford got two Ferraris to test against the test mule GT and broke them!.. Driving them the way they were meant to be driven!.. And they both broke down!.. The test mule GT kept right on going!..
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It's not pride!.. It's arrogance!.. And that Ferrari is a POS!.. They are high maintenance crap at best!.. Not to mention that routine maintenance on them will cost you an arm and a leg at least!.. And if you don't think they are crap then you need to check out the documentary that Ford did when they were building the GT!.. Ford got two Ferraris to test against the test mule GT and broke them!.. Driving them the way they were meant to be driven!.. And they both broke down!.. The test mule GT kept right on going!..
in a documentary put out by ford, to promote a ford vehicle, their direct competitor broke down, what a coincidence. thats amazing that two ferraris broke under "normal tests" and the ford never broke once, WOW. that really is a great car. not to be bashing on ford because I love them and I drive one, but you dont think that just maybe all the information was made aware to the viewing audience.
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in a documentary put out by ford, to promote a ford vehicle, their direct competitor broke down, what a coincidence. thats amazing that two ferraris broke under "normal tests" and the ford never broke once, WOW. that really is a great car. not to be bashing on ford because I love them and I drive one, but you dont think that just maybe all the information was made aware to the viewing audience.
Your kinda missing the point!... Years ago a old farm equipment manufacturer decided to build sports cars, because Enzo said their is nothing wrong with Ferraris, and that they are perfect!.. I know you've heard of Lamborghini and his story!.. Or you can take the GT40 from the '60s!.. Ya it was eventually banned from the track because Ferrari pitched such a fit over it!.. Ferraris have a history of being mechanical failures!.. Like I said it's not pride it's arrogance!.. Misplaced arrogance at best!..
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Your kinda missing the point!... Years ago a old farm equipment manufacturer decided to build sports cars, because Enzo said their is nothing wrong with Ferraris, and that they are perfect!.. I know you've heard of Lamborghini and his story!.. Or you can take the GT40 from the '60s!.. Ya it was eventually banned from the track because Ferrari pitched such a fit over it!.. Ferraris have a history of being mechanical failures!.. Like I said it's not pride it's arrogance!.. Misplaced arrogance at best!..
I'm not very old but I know the history of our cars and back in the day, in the 60's, you simply could not beat an American car.We were the best, in the world, and Americans were proud of that, thats the pride I want again. Now there are so many imports its ridiculous. People complain about our economy and buy nothing but foreign sh**. Ex cash for clunkers, why not just wright Japan a check and save the time cuz thats were all of our money went. Americans all got money for old American cars and bought new Japanese cars. There's something fundamentally wrong with that.
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I see the point being stated hear and i think our gm induiced economic hardships are a good example of that.

Agreed our auto manufactures are going to have to seriouslly step it up so ppl start buying more of them. And stop with the bs bickering in ur adds its not going to help sell *****.
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Where did all this b.s. come from? I wrote a post about a zl1 vs a boss. Now we're talkin economy and politics! P.S. I don't think the average american can stand to pay $1,000 dollars for an oil change and spark plugs in a ferrari! Just my opinion.
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