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Old 11-26-2013, 11:00 PM   #281
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Yup a termi is a 4.6
It's a forged blown 4.6 that still gets out ran by a NA 5.0 :/ lol
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Sure your 600 supercharged 4.6 will eat up a 420 HP 5.0 but a supercharged 5.0 that's making 700 HP plus is again on top of the 4.6.


I can turn up the boost on my BLOWER just as well , no advantage , for what I have read the 5.0 is only safe up to 550 hp without being forged so no advantage
I can forge my internals and make more power too 700 + All at a cheaper price
than buying a new 5.0 .



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A new 5.0 has a 0 to 60 time of 4.5 and 1/4 mile time of 12.9 and a 4v mach 1 o To 60 is 4.7 and 1/4 mile at 13.0 so is there no comparison???
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A 50 shot nitrous 5.0 would probably beat a blown 4.6


That would only equal to 470 HP not 600HP
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I can turn up the boost on my BLOWER just as well , no advantage , for what I have read the 5.0 is only safe up to 550 hp without being forged so no advantage
I can forge my internals and make more power too 700 + All at a cheaper price
than buying a new 5.0 .



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.... Who did you get your information on what a stock 5.0 can handle from?? There's many guys on SVTP running in the 600s stock bottom end. Had a local guy running the mid 600s for a couple years before he finally tossed a rod with a 2.3 TVS
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Yup a termi is a 4.6
A 4.6 that's hand made, fully forged engine and supercharged. factory it has like 390 HP but where its awesome is the amount of boost you can give the engine because its fully forged.

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I can turn up the boost on my BLOWER just as well , no advantage , for what I have read the 5.0 is only safe up to 550 hp without being forged so no advantage
I can forge my internals and make more power too 700 + All at a cheaper price
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I'm pretty sure your low on that. The factory 5.0 engine can safely handle 625 HP. lol
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A 4.6 that's hand made, fully forged engine and supercharged. factory it has like 390 HP but where its awesome is the amount of boost you can give the engine because its fully forged.






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I'm pretty sure your low on that. The factory 5.0 engine can safely handle 625 HP. lol

Exactly a fully forget 4.6 is NO JOKE.

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Exactly a fully forget 4.6 is NO JOKE.
True that bro, no joke but someone please correct me but the terminator engine has more than just forged pistons, rods and crankshaft. The whole entire engine is forged , correct?
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Quote from a 5.0 owner.

Based on the failures that have been reported, I don't think it's fair to say that 650 is "safe". I am assuming that you are referring to RWHP? Every failure that I have read about involved pushing it higher than 600 RWHP. I still don't know of anyone who was running under 600, with a reputable tune, and had an engine failure. There are quite a few in the 620 and up range that paid the price, though. Unless you don't plan to really drive it hard at all (to which I would say, what's the point then?), I wouldn't go higher than 600ish RWHP. Some would even say lower, like 550.

I installed a Roush TVS on my 2011 at 10K miles, and I am now at 16K with no problems. As much as I would love to crank up the boost some more and upgrade the driveshaft, clutch, and fuel system, I would rather not deal with having to rebuild the engine. I am at 576 RWHP which is HELLA FUN on the streets, and I am pretty content with it. We all want more, but you have to balance your wants with your checkbook.

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Like I said 550 Hp is about the max without going forged the 4.6 is no different.

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True that bro, no joke but someone please correct me but the terminator engine has more than just forged pistons, rods and crankshaft. The whole entire engine is forged , correct?


Now your starting to see the light Kona lol...

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Does anybody have a forged 3.7? Bahaha
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True that bro, no joke but someone please correct me but the terminator engine has more than just forged pistons, rods and crankshaft. The whole entire engine is forged , correct?
Well that is what a forged motor is: forged rods, pistons, and crank.

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Based on the failures that have been reported, I don't think it's fair to say that 650 is "safe". I am assuming that you are referring to RWHP? Every failure that I have read about involved pushing it higher than 600 RWHP. I still don't know of anyone who was running under 600, with a reputable tune, and had an engine failure. There are quite a few in the 620 and up range that paid the price, though. Unless you don't plan to really drive it hard at all (to which I would say, what's the point then?), I wouldn't go higher than 600ish RWHP. Some would even say lower, like 550.

I installed a Roush TVS on my 2011 at 10K miles, and I am now at 16K with no problems. As much as I would love to crank up the boost some more and upgrade the driveshaft, clutch, and fuel system, I would rather not deal with having to rebuild the engine. I am at 576 RWHP which is HELLA FUN on the streets, and I am pretty content with it. We all want more, but you have to balance your wants with your checkbook.

That said, if my **** pops, I'm getting it built. I love this car too damned much.
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Like I said 550 Hp is about the max without going forged the 4.6 is no different.

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Now your starting to see the light Kona lol...

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
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I thought This was 4.6 vs 5.0 not but the 03/04 cobras they don't count because lol they are a 4.6?
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I thought This was 4.6 vs 5.0 not but the 03/04 cobras they don't count because lol they are a 4.6?
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That would only equal to 470 HP not 600HP
Either way, numbers don't mean ****. Especially with the 7-7500rpm redline the 5.0 has. While your missing shifts the 5.0 will still be in the same gear pulling.
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600Hp IS not the same level as 420 hp SORRY. A stock 5.0 would be a joke with my set up ....



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Ford was installing supercharger kits on the 2011 when they came out WITH WARRANTIES that pushed 600hp so that is what it is. I think they still do it. Regardless I would not run a 4.6L above 425ish whp because I would like it to last awhile. I've seen the carnage from when a rod lets go and the rods in these motors are suspect at best. Modular weak point is the rods, pushrods is the block, modular wins that battle espeically with the Boss rods dropping right in at $20/rod lol. Obviously its not just $160 and go but you get the idea vs a $2500 DART block that also adds a ton of weight to the nose of the car.

As for the Terminator, yes Manley rods and the reason for Manley rods was... the stock powdered rods kept blowing on the test engines and SVT had to do some major convincing to get the accountants to accept $50 per rod vs about $1 per rod (Ford's cost). The pistons are actually the weak point in the Termi and also limit it "safely" to about 600-700hp although you'll hear plenty of ppl going over that with success.

And again, if we are just going by comparison of engines it isn't even an argument. The Coyote is in another universe plain and simple. Just on a design standpoint alone and what it can do with a measly 302 cubes. With money and mods and the platform... it gets vague and all boils down to what you like.

I'll still take a Terminator over anything simply because its "The Terminator" and they are also going up in value the older they get as long as you keep the miles off. They're going to go down as one of the greatest Mustangs of all time, maybe the greatest. I mean it killed the Camaro ffs.
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Ford was installing supercharger kits on the 2011 when they came out WITH WARRANTIES that pushed 600hp so that is what it is. I think they still do it. Regardless I would not run a 4.6L above 425ish whp because I would like it to last awhile. I've seen the carnage from when a rod lets go and the rods in these motors are suspect at best. Modular weak point is the rods, pushrods is the block, modular wins that battle espeically with the Boss rods dropping right in at $20/rod lol. Obviously its not just $160 and go but you get the idea vs a $2500 DART block that also adds a ton of weight to the nose of the car.

As for the Terminator, yes Manley rods and the reason for Manley rods was... the stock powdered rods kept blowing on the test engines and SVT had to do some major convincing to get the accountants to accept $50 per rod vs about $1 per rod (Ford's cost). The pistons are actually the weak point in the Termi and also limit it "safely" to about 600-700hp although you'll hear plenty of ppl going over that with success.

And again, if we are just going by comparison of engines it isn't even an argument. The Coyote is in another universe plain and simple. Just on a design standpoint alone and what it can do with a measly 302 cubes. With money and mods and the platform... it gets vague and all boils down to what you like.

I'll still take a Terminator over anything simply because its "The Terminator" and they are also going up in value the older they get as long as you keep the miles off. They're going to go down as one of the greatest Mustangs of all time, maybe the greatest. I mean it killed the Camaro ffs.




Similar to our 525 HP kit with the E-force, this system comes complete with JDM Custom Tuning by James D'Amore using the SCT XCAL3 Flash Device, Edebrock Cold air intake 15808, and NGK spark plugs. This time around the kit comes with larger 60lb injectors instead of the 39LB and the GT500 Ford Racing Fuel System M-9407-GT05 which supplies all the fuel to the engine that it will need while running 12 psi boost with the 3.25” pulley.

The addition of these components raises the power level of the Supercharger to 600 HP at the engine! This is the most you want to put through your stock motor internals. If you chose to forget your motor or go with a Team JDM 302E 3V Short Block you can raise the boost levels on this supercharger kit to over 17 psi, making over 700 HP!

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Similar to our 525 HP kit with the E-force, this system comes complete with JDM Custom Tuning by James D'Amore using the SCT XCAL3 Flash Device, Edebrock Cold air intake 15808, and NGK spark plugs. This time around the kit comes with larger 60lb injectors instead of the 39LB and the GT500 Ford Racing Fuel System M-9407-GT05 which supplies all the fuel to the engine that it will need while running 12 psi boost with the 3.25” pulley.

The addition of these components raises the power level of the Supercharger to 600 HP at the engine! This is the most you want to put through your stock motor internals. If you chose to forget your motor or go with a Team JDM 302E 3V Short Block you can raise the boost levels on this supercharger kit to over 17 psi, making over 700 HP!

No doubt the 4.6 engine is not a weak engine. You put forged internals, supercharger, bigger cams, heads, pulleys in most cars and it will be a beast. One could take the 5.0 engine, forge the engine add boost and again will be on top of the 4.6. Depending on how much money people are willing to dump into their engine will determine how much power they will get. Most vehicles can be made fast if someone wants to spend the money.

The terminator cobra has a supercharger and still made less HP in stock format compared to the 14 5.0. It shows the coyote engine is just a far advanced engine to make 420 HP with no supercharger. Think if SVT made the coyote engine with all forged engine parts and supercharger now a days, how much boost and power could it hold?

I'm not taking anything away from the 03/04 Cobras and back then it was ahead of its time in advancements. Now a days , the engines are making that power and way some, all natural with no boost and getting 25 mpg to boot. The 4.6 is a great engine but its old technology.

Its like comparing an advanced 10 year old lap top computer to a current base 2014 laptop computer. Sure, the 10 year old computer was great back then for its time but not the low end laptop will be more advanced because technology improved. Evolution gentlemen. Out with the old and in with the new.
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Similar to our 525 HP kit with the E-force, this system comes complete with JDM Custom Tuning by James D'Amore using the SCT XCAL3 Flash Device, Edebrock Cold air intake 15808, and NGK spark plugs. This time around the kit comes with larger 60lb injectors instead of the 39LB and the GT500 Ford Racing Fuel System M-9407-GT05 which supplies all the fuel to the engine that it will need while running 12 psi boost with the 3.25” pulley.

The addition of these components raises the power level of the Supercharger to 600 HP at the engine! This is the most you want to put through your stock motor internals. If you chose to forget your motor or go with a Team JDM 302E 3V Short Block you can raise the boost levels on this supercharger kit to over 17 psi, making over 700 HP!

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No doubt the 4.6 engine is not a weak engine. You put forged internals, supercharger, bigger cams, heads, pulleys in most cars and it will be a beast. One could take the 5.0 engine, forge the engine add boost and again will be on top of the 4.6. Depending on how much money people are willing to dump into their engine will determine how much power they will get. Most vehicles can be made fast if someone wants to spend the money.

The terminator cobra has a supercharger and still made less HP in stock format compared to the 14 5.0. It shows the coyote engine is just a far advanced engine to make 420 HP with no supercharger. Think if SVT made the coyote engine with all forged engine parts and supercharger now a days, how much boost and power could it hold?

I'm not taking anything away from the 03/04 Cobras and back then it was ahead of its time in advancements. Now a days , the engines are making that power and way some, all natural with no boost and getting 25 mpg to boot. The 4.6 is a great engine but its old technology.

Its like comparing an advanced 10 year old lap top computer to a current base 2014 laptop computer. Sure, the 10 year old computer was great back then for its time but not the low end laptop will be more advanced because technology improved. Evolution gentlemen. Out with the old and in with the new.
Termi makes more power than the Coyote stock for stock. Also if you want to compare MPGs I'll take an "old tech" LS1 pushrod that gets better MPG than both the Coyote and the 4V and is nothing more than an aluminum small block motor. Also makes great power while doing it.

Agreed the Coyote is a great advanced platform but better... Honestly it has to be so advanced to meet all the federal emissions/mpg regulations and GM is still doing that with the LS engines. I'll still take a Terminator any day if we are talking about straight up power.
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??? Termi makes more power than the Coyote stock for stock. Also if you want to compare MPGs I'll take an "old tech" LS1 pushrod that gets better MPG than both the Coyote and the 4V and is nothing more than an aluminum small block motor. Also makes great power while doing it. Agreed the Coyote is a great advanced platform but better... Honestly it has to be so advanced to meet all the federal emissions/mpg regulations and GM is still doing that with the LS engines. I'll still take a Terminator any day if we are talking about straight up power.
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Termi makes more power than the Coyote stock for stock. Also if you want to compare MPGs I'll take an "old tech" LS1 pushrod that gets better MPG than both the Coyote and the 4V and is nothing more than an aluminum small block motor. Also makes great power while doing it.

Agreed the Coyote is a great advanced platform but better... Honestly it has to be so advanced to meet all the federal emissions/mpg regulations and GM is still doing that with the LS engines. I'll still take a Terminator any day if we are talking about straight up power.


The Termi is a great motor no doubt and a 4.6 at that ha.... older technology
but proven technology that being said the 4.6 3V done up is no joke and
can run with the best of them.... the debate continues.....

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Motor info a stock 4.6 block can be used to build a Termi motor cool.

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The Termi is a great motor no doubt and a 4.6 at that ha.... older technology
but proven technology that being said the 4.6 3V done up is no joke and
can run with the best of them.... the debate continues.....

Anything "done up" can run with the best of them
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I like how the modular block can take up to like 1000hp while the OLD 5.0 can take like 450-500hp.

So you just get some forged pistons/rods on a 4.6 and your good to go!
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