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Old 11-18-2013, 02:02 PM   #1
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4.6 vs 5.0

Ok here's a thread that you 4.6 vs 5.0 guys can go at each other's throats all day long without derailing other threads.

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nitrous/cam/stall/gears/bolt on 5.0...come at me bro!
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Nitrous/cam/stall/gears/twin turbo 5.0.... I just did bro
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1000 HP 4.6 L plus BLOWER / 2000HP = bye bye 5.0 plus BLOWER
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Boosted/built 5.0>boosted/built 4.6
. A lot more money than the 2v though most money usually wins.
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2005-2010 3V Mustang Short Block Motor - JDM Engineering

1000 HP 4.6 L plus BLOWER / 2000HP = bye bye 5.0 plus BLOWER
2000HP with no head work and a supercharger? I tell you what. If you buy that short block and make that happen without extreme head modifications I will reimburse you the money you spent.
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I would rather build a $5000 2v than start with a $30000 coyote. That automatically makes a 2v cheaper to build to get to almost the same powet

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With the money you guys spend on payments for your 5.0 I'm putting that to trick flow heads forged bottom and blower.

So 4.6>5.0
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I would rather build a $5000 2v than start with a $30000 coyote. That automatically makes a 2v cheaper to build to get to almost the same powet

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With the money you guys spend on payments for your 5.0 I'm putting that to trick flow heads forged bottom and blower.

So 4.6>5.0
Well my car was 27k and it makes 432rwhp after only $1200 in mods. How much money does it cost to get a 4.6 to 430rwhp? Easy 5k blower and another 5-7k on a built motor? Then you have to build everything else around the motor because the Trans is soon to go after. So by the time you are on a solid competing level with a full bolt on coyote how much did you spend

My payment is 423 a month BTW
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My payment is 0 bucks a month with 2gs towards a vortech DIY plus what it costs to build the motor
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Well my car was 27k and it makes 432rwhp after only $1200 in mods. How much money does it cost to get a 4.6 to 430rwhp? Easy 5k blower and another 5-7k on a built motor? Then you have to build everything else around the motor because the Trans is soon to go after. So by the time you are on a solid competing level with a full bolt on coyote how much did you spend My payment is 423 a month BTW
truth, a 5.0 will always be faster for LESS than how much the 4.6 owners spend, sorry, that's the cold hard truth.
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My payment is 0 bucks a month with 2gs towards a vortech DIY plus what it costs to build the motor
Well I have a procharged 4.6 in my truck and I had to put a built motor in it. I don't know how to build them and I ended up going to promar for a motor. By the time I had it in the truck I spent nearly 6k on the motor and who knows how much on odds and ends. I think they cost more than the engine itself lol. Either way I was able to crank up the boost and my truck made 358rwhp on 37s before I blew up the input shaft on the Trans. There went another 4k for a built Trans and now I have a truck worth 4k with 15k worth of engine and Trans and a 5k supercharger on top of it . Should have bought a diesel.
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Again like I said how does it cost less to fix a coyote when you have to buy the 30 thousand something dollar car first??

Buying a used car and fixing it up is cheaper than buying a new car and still having to fix it up

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Also I'm gonna laugh when that one guy finishes his Mach 1 LS swap and smokes the coyote and 4.6 owners on here lol
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Again like I said how does it cost less to fix a coyote when you have to buy the 30 thousand something dollar car first??

Buying a used car and fixing it up is cheaper than buying a new car and still having to fix it up

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Also I'm gonna laugh when that one guy finishes his Mach 1 LS swap and smokes the coyote and 4.6 owners on here lol
That LS motor will still need heads, cams, and an intake before he is "smoking" any body. The 4.6 crowd will be SOL from the start. Just look at the 01 SS camaro. Running 12.8-13 flat stock with the LS1. His new edge will be at 3400# give or take with a 325HP engine. That's more HP than a 05-10 GT and less weight. Add H/C/I and he could easily make 400+rwhp with no real power adders. Easy 11 second ride all day.

Don't get me wrong, I can't stand the way modern Chevys look and the only cars I find attractive are the new vettes. BUT I've been around racing long enough to know that a LS motor is easy reliable power, and their bottom ends are stout.
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That LS motor will still need heads, cams, and an intake before he is "smoking" any body. The 4.6 crowd will be SOL from the start. Just look at the 01 SS camaro. Running 12.8-13 flat stock with the LS1. His new edge will be at 3400# give or take with a 325HP engine. That's more HP than a 05-10 GT and less weight. Add H/C/I and he could easily make 400+rwhp with no real power adders. Easy 11 second ride all day. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand the way modern Chevys look and the only cars I find attractive are the new vettes. BUT I've been around racing long enough to know that a LS motor is easy reliable power, and their bottom ends are stout.
too bad their rear ends aren't!! Lol
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Well my car was 27k and it makes 432rwhp after only $1200 in mods. How much money does it cost to get a 4.6 to 430rwhp? Easy 5k blower and another 5-7k on a built motor? Then you have to build everything else around the motor because the Trans is soon to go after. So by the time you are on a solid competing level with a full bolt on coyote how much did you spend

My payment is 423 a month BTW
Where do you get your information ? I spent 4 k on a e-force blower like new with 1000 miles on it , 12k I paid for my car I got a good deal second owner it's mint , 5 k on cosmetic mods , low pro Toyo tires /20" rims , lowered etc for a total of 21 k and I have a custom ride with 450 RWHP running a 3.5 pulley , kenne bell boost a pump etc..

The 2005 to 2010 3v 4.6 L can handle 450 to 500 RWHP no problem all day any day , no forging necessary , It's all in having a GREAT TUNE , just like the coyote if you go above 600 at the Crank Hp things will EVENTUALLY break just a matter of time so no benefit there.

You spent 28 k for 430 rwhp without custom rims/tires or lowered .

So for 21 k I have a custom ride with 450 rwhp or around 550hp at the crank
I think a GREAT deal. And I have NO PAYMENT.


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Where do you get your information ? I spent 4 k on a e-force blower like new with 1000 miles on it , 12k I paid for my car I got a good deal second owner it's mint , 5 k on cosmetic mods , tires rims , lowered etc for a total of 21 k and I have a custom ride with 450 RWHP running a 3.5 pulley , kenne bell boost a pump etc.. The 2005 to 2010 3v 4.6 L can handle 450 to 500 RWHP no problem all day any day , no forging necessary , It's all in having a GREAT TUNE , just like the coyote if you go above 600 at the Crank Hp things will EVENTUALLY break just a matter of time so no benefit there. You spent 28 k for 430 rwhp without custom rims/tires or lowered . So for 21 k I have a custom ride with 450 rwhp or around 550hp at the crank I think a GREAT deal. And I have NO PAYMENT. Winner 4.6
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This thread was created specifically for the bickering, look at the original post.
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Depends on which 5.0 your talking about!.. The old school, or the new Coyote?..
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Depends on which 5.0 your talking about!.. The old school, or the new Coyote?..
it can be both. All ideas are welcome in this thread
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Where do you get your information ? I spent 4 k on a e-force blower like new with 1000 miles on it , 12k I paid for my car I got a good deal second owner it's mint , 5 k on cosmetic mods , low pro Toyo tires /20" rims , lowered etc for a total of 21 k and I have a custom ride with 450 RWHP running a 3.5 pulley , kenne bell boost a pump etc..

The 2005 to 2010 3v 4.6 L can handle 450 to 500 RWHP no problem all day any day , no forging necessary , It's all in having a GREAT TUNE , just like the coyote if you go above 600 at the Crank Hp things will EVENTUALLY break just a matter of time so no benefit there.

You spent 28 k for 430 rwhp without custom rims/tires or lowered .

So for 21 k I have a custom ride with 450 rwhp or around 550hp at the crank
I think a GREAT deal. And I have NO PAYMENT.

Winner 4.6

If you want to get down to nitty gritty I traded my stock wheels +$300 to get nice wheels. Then I sold nicer wheels for more than they were worth and bought what I have now. Also, I sold stock suspension parts for $250 all together and spent $180 on my LCA'S and got the UCA for free through a promotion. So I made $70 there. So that puts me at $28k for a car with suspension work and wheels/tires for 28k and it will run with your "500hp" 4.6 all day. Let me know when your 4.6 runs less than a 13 second time slip and post it. Then I'll post my NA 5.0 time slip and well see who is faster. Sounds fair to me. You've spent 21k but just wait till you're putting another engine in it. It will be soon, and you'll be right there with me and how much I have spent.

Oh and just being honest, you got that e-force blower with 1k on it because the previous owner realized they are garbage and got rid of it. I don't think edelbrock even uses their blowers on their race cars LOL!
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Idk how this slipped my mind but termi>5.0
2000 cobra r >5.0

5.0>my 2v though lol
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Depends on which 5.0 your talking about!.. The old school, or the new Coyote?..
the new coyote, well, that's the one I will refer to.
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If you want to get down to nitty gritty I traded my stock wheels +$300 to get nice wheels. Then I sold nicer wheels for more than they were worth and bought what I have now. Also, I sold stock suspension parts for $250 all together and spent $180 on my LCA'S and got the UCA for free through a promotion. So I made $70 there. So that puts me at $28k for a car with suspension work and wheels/tires for 28k and it will run with your "500hp" 4.6 all day. Let me know when your 4.6 runs less than a 13 second time slip and post it. Then I'll post my NA 5.0 time slip and well see who is faster. Sounds fair to me. You've spent 21k but just wait till you're putting another engine in it. It will be soon, and you'll be right there with me and how much I have spent.

Oh and just being honest, you got that e-force blower with 1k on it because the previous owner realized they are garbage and got rid of it. I don't think edelbrock even uses their blowers on their race cars LOL!
WRONG the owner sold it because he bought a vette and wants to put money in that for drag racing , he kept his GT for a daily driver same car as mine .
AND sorry Edelbrock doesn't make Junk the e-force is a great BLOWER very efficient and same internals as the ZR1 , a twin roots set up , it produces more HP and tq than the competition at a lower boost level , do some research for God sakes......
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For the money i'll take a 4.6 any day. Not a fan of the land yacht S197 chassis. If I wanted to feel like I was driving a truck I would buy a truck.
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If you want to get down to nitty gritty I traded my stock wheels +$300 to get nice wheels. Then I sold nicer wheels for more than they were worth and bought what I have now. Also, I sold stock suspension parts for $250 all together and spent $180 on my LCA'S and got the UCA for free through a promotion. So I made $70 there. So that puts me at $28k for a car with suspension work and wheels/tires for 28k and it will run with your "500hp" 4.6 all day. Let me know when your 4.6 runs less than a 13 second time slip and post it. Then I'll post my NA 5.0 time slip and well see who is faster. Sounds fair to me. You've spent 21k but just wait till you're putting another engine in it. It will be soon, and you'll be right there with me and how much I have spent.

Oh and just being honest, you got that e-force blower with 1k on it because the previous owner realized they are garbage and got rid of it. I don't think edelbrock even uses their blowers on their race cars LOL!



Also I told you it's all in the TUNE to have a happy engine and keep the psi under 10. You should learn more about SUPERCHARGERS there is a reason the ZR1 has one the fastest vette ever , the Camaro Zl1 has one etc... blowers are used because they make BIG POWER simple as that.

And you still spend 28 K and I spent 21 and I have 450 RWHP and you don't .



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Drive something slower than a truck so you don't feel like you are driving one? Makes sense
Don't have any problems with 5.0 cars in my 4.6 vert. I have respect for the capabilities of the platform but will still take my 4.6 anyday.
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I can build a ratty *** pushrod 5.0 for 1/3 the price of a new 5.0 that will rape it in the 1/4. Is it a nicer car? No.

Another example, if you get into a 2V for $4-$6k and then spend another $15k in mods to make it a mint 500-600whp car is it better than a new 5.0 that cost the same or a little more? You be the judge. IMO the S197 is more of an everyday driver comfortable car to drive around in that is fast as ufck with the Coyote in it.

Then there is the Terminator which is the exception to all the rules. Faster than a raped ape, lighter than the Coyote, seats that do not suck, IRS, 6 spd, fully forged and supercharged from the factory, true collector car that is going UP in value if you keep the miles off.

And as always, he who has the deepest pockets wins. All the platforms can be built to be 4 digit power no problem.
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I can build a ratty *** pushrod 5.0 for 1/3 the price of a new 5.0 that will rape it in the 1/4. Is it a nicer car? No. Another example, if you get into a 2V for $4-$6k and then spend another $15k in mods to make it a mint 500-600whp car is it better than a new 5.0 that cost the same or a little more? You be the judge. IMO the S197 is more of an everyday driver comfortable car to drive around in that is fast as ufck with the Coyote in it. Then there is the Terminator which is the exception to all the rules. Faster than a raped ape, lighter than the Coyote, seats that do not suck, IRS, 6 spd, fully forged and supercharged from the factory, true collector car that is going UP in value if you keep the miles off. And as always, he who has the deepest pockets wins. All the platforms can be built to be 4 digit power no problem.
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Don't have any problems with 5.0 cars in my 4.6 vert. I have respect for the capabilities of the platform but will still take my 4.6 anyday.
You are talking about a 4v cobra? That's an exception to the rule. Cobras can cost almost as much as a coyote in some cases also
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