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Old 12-10-2013, 02:50 PM   #1
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advantage of dyno tune over store bought tune

What would the advantage of a dyno tune versus say a Bama Tune ?
What would a dyno tune entail ?
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As someone who went dyno tune with boltons, I have the advantage of seeing my bank account drained a couple hundred dollars more
Seriously for boltons go bama or AED
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No advantage at all. As stated for simple boltons an email tune will work just fine.
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Agreed.
When u go beyond bolt ons, or trying to completely max out hp/tq go with a dyno tune. Otherwise, a canned tune will be perfect for most. I have done both, and happy with both...depending on the circumstances. I have a Bama on my GT and love it. Had it dynoed today and my tuner said it was a very good tune, and recommended me not having a custom dyno tune as there was no need. Not worth a few hundred bucks for less than 10 hp.
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What would the advantage of a dyno tune versus say a Bama Tune ?
What would a dyno tune entail ?
For just a bolt on 2011+ GT, you won't see any real gains of a Dyno tune over a Bama custom tune. With the factory wideband sensors on the 2011+ Mustang's, it makes it really simple for us to tune these cars. We've tuned more 05+ Mustangs than anyone else in the world and I can guarantee we have every aspect of these cars figured out!

You would see within a few horsepower of each other between a Bama custom tune and a Dyno tune. You may see slight gains in drive ability on a dyno tune, since the car is directly in front of them. However, if you want to datalog with us we can definitely make sure you're dialed in perfectly!

Hope this helps! Our Bama Performance tuning specialists are here in the building Monday-Friday from 9AM-5:30PM EST and Saturday 9AM-5:30PM EST. You can hit them up directly at 888.226.9764 and they'll get you squared away!

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Sorry, quick hi-jack...
Thanks Dan. I absolutely love my Bama tune. Very nice job. My dyno tuner said it was nuts on!
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Thanks Dan. I absolutely love my Bama tune. Very nice job. My dyno tuner said it was nuts on!
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Awesome! I'm glad to hear you're enjoying your Bama custom tune and that it's spot on. Keep up the great work with your Mustang and let me know if you have any questions or need some assistance in the near future!

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What do the bama tunes cost and how much gains are there? Is there a seat of the pants gain.
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What do the bama tunes cost and how much gains are there? Is there a seat of the pants gain.
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If your car has never been tuned before you will feel a noticeable difference. Hope this helps. i'll try and upload some dyno sheets for you.
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I agree, bolt-ons only you're not reinventing the wheel and would be well in the ball park with a canned tune. Only time a dyno tune may be needed for this is if you live in a high altitude area.
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If your car has never been tuned before you will feel a noticeable difference. Hope this helps. i'll try and upload some dyno sheets for you.
Looks like Rickytang has pointed you in the right direction. Those are the proper links and cost! If you have an 11+ GT, you can expect to see gains of 25+ RWHP and 25+ RWTQ with just a tune alone. The more modifications you have, the more power you're going to see!

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This coming from a guy who swapped from three different tunes companies and blew his motor. He blames Bama. Because he had to get multiple updates on his tune. Even though when his motor blew the Bama tune was not loaded. Right Rapinator?
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Hey guys, I just signed up. I'm a regular over at AFM...Anyway...A canned tune when you're stock is fine. Huge seat of your pants gains!.... But I'll have to respectively disagree with everyone on Canned being better than Dyno...When i was stock, I ran my BAMA 91P tune and it was great. Once my CAI, Boss Manifold, 3.73s went on (all in one sitting)... the updated BAMA tune had me pinging like crazy...My tuner had to abort the dyno pulls and only netted like 363hp.... He did his own tune, his own tweaks here and there over the next few pulls, and I finished the day at 381hp with no pinging (not bad for an automatic with the Boss mani..). Shifts in the dyno tune are a little firmer/responsive...Car runs GREAT.... Now, i'm sure I could have data-logged and gone through the hassle of emailing BAMA back and forth to try and get it right, etc...But then I'd have to find a PC to update my SCT (I'm a MAC guy and so are my friends...Work computers block that site, etc...)... Huge hassle...

The way I see it... if you're sick, you go see the doctor in person. You don't just tell him your symptoms over the phone. Every person is different. As every car is different. What's good for your car might kill mine. A generic tune written for some guys Mustang in Philly 3 years ago may not be the best tune for your Arizona car today..
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Sounds to me like u failed to include ur new parts in the Bama questionaire. A quick email giving ur new items prolly would have made it perfect.
Don't believe anyone, including Dan, said a canned tune is 'better.' Many agree it is the most cost effective option, without really losing any power.
$500 for a dyno tune each time u want to change the tune gets pretty steep. $350 for unlimited tunes that net nearly the same results...good deal.
I have done both, and been happy with both, but much different scenerios.
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Sounds to me like u failed to include ur new parts in the Bama questionaire. A quick email giving ur new items prolly would have made it perfect.
^ You would think. But I actually called BAMA the day the mods were installed, updated ALL the information, had new tunes emailed to me that afternoon, updated my SCT with the new files, and then flashed the PCM...Car fired up, adjusted to the new Intake, and then seemed to run just fine. It got me to my tuner okay, but at wide open throttle on the dyno - PING!!!!! ....Like I said, I'm sure we could have hammered it out by having BAMA make adjustments to the A/F ratios, but that was a lot of phone-call / online back and forth hassle I didn't want to deal with.

Answering the title of the thread: A dyno tune is specific to the quirks of YOUR car. And with a reputable tuner that is a Mustang guru, they can better optimize ALL the parameters so you can get the most out of YOUR car.
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Maybe on a technical level, they're comparable to one another, but there are things that I found in a dyno experience that I don't believe that you will find in a canned tune. I find it a comfort to know the man who managed to pull an extra 40rwhp out of my engine. There's also something to be said for watching that car make a transformation while strapped down on a roller. Not to mention that if something goes wrong, you're already in a safe place where the problem can be corrected.
Granted, it's all preference, but I prefer the more hands on experience of an in-shop tuner who's hand you can shake and look in the eye. Travis Lane @ Carolina Chassis Dyno was absolutely the right man for the job. I can tell you from my personal experience, as well as that of the close friend who recommended him, that my tuner knows his Mustangs. I feel like I know better of what my car can do since I watched Travis do his work. Don't discard the idea of a dyno tune as it really is a memorable experience in and of its self.
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This coming from a guy who swapped from three different tunes companies and blew his motor. He blames Bama. Because he had to get multiple updates on his tune. Even though when his motor blew the Bama tune was not loaded. Right Rapinator?
oh snap. It just got ugly in here. Shots fired!
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oh snap. It just got ugly in here. Shots fired!
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Hey guys, I just signed up. I'm a regular over at AFM...Anyway...A canned tune when you're stock is fine. Huge seat of your pants gains!.... But I'll have to respectively disagree with everyone on Canned being better than Dyno...When i was stock, I ran my BAMA 91P tune and it was great. Once my CAI, Boss Manifold, 3.73s went on (all in one sitting)... the updated BAMA tune had me pinging like crazy...My tuner had to abort the dyno pulls and only netted like 363hp.... He did his own tune, his own tweaks here and there over the next few pulls, and I finished the day at 381hp with no pinging (not bad for an automatic with the Boss mani..). Shifts in the dyno tune are a little firmer/responsive...Car runs GREAT.... Now, i'm sure I could have data-logged and gone through the hassle of emailing BAMA back and forth to try and get it right, etc...But then I'd have to find a PC to update my SCT (I'm a MAC guy and so are my friends...Work computers block that site, etc...)... Huge hassle...

The way I see it... if you're sick, you go see the doctor in person. You don't just tell him your symptoms over the phone. Every person is different. As every car is different. What's good for your car might kill mine. A generic tune written for some guys Mustang in Philly 3 years ago may not be the best tune for your Arizona car today..
A canned tuned is better for ones wallet over a dyno tune when it comes to having bolt on mods. A dyno tune will give almost little to no additional HP and torque numbers over a canned tune such as Bama Steeda, MPT , etc when one has bolt on mods. Could a Dyno tune squeeze out 2 to 3 more rwhp over a canned tune with a car having bolt on mods. Surely it may and thats a big MAYBE but at 500 dollars per dyno tune, that's not worth it for a big maybe or a few more HP.

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I need to get my popcorn now.
I'm gonna sit back and enjoy the show. I can't believe Rapinator is gonna let someone punk him like that and get away with it.
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A canned tuned is better for ones wallet over a dyno tune when it comes to having bolt on mods. A dyno tune will give almost little to no additional HP and torque numbers over a canned tune such as Bama Steeda, MPT , etc when one has bolt on mods. Could a Dyno tune squeeze out 2 to 3 more rwhp over a canned tune with a car having bolt on mods. Surely it may and thats a big MAYBE but at 500 dollars per dyno tune, that's not worth it for a big maybe or a few more HP.
A canned tune is definitely better on the Wallet!!! I agree.
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Hey guys, I just signed up. I'm a regular over at AFM...Anyway...A canned tune when you're stock is fine. Huge seat of your pants gains!.... But I'll have to respectively disagree with everyone on Canned being better than Dyno...When i was stock, I ran my BAMA 91P tune and it was great. Once my CAI, Boss Manifold, 3.73s went on (all in one sitting)... the updated BAMA tune had me pinging like crazy...My tuner had to abort the dyno pulls and only netted like 363hp.... He did his own tune, his own tweaks here and there over the next few pulls, and I finished the day at 381hp with no pinging (not bad for an automatic with the Boss mani..). Shifts in the dyno tune are a little firmer/responsive...Car runs GREAT.... Now, i'm sure I could have data-logged and gone through the hassle of emailing BAMA back and forth to try and get it right, etc...But then I'd have to find a PC to update my SCT (I'm a MAC guy and so are my friends...Work computers block that site, etc...)... Huge hassle...

The way I see it... if you're sick, you go see the doctor in person. You don't just tell him your symptoms over the phone. Every person is different. As every car is different. What's good for your car might kill mine. A generic tune written for some guys Mustang in Philly 3 years ago may not be the best tune for your Arizona car today..
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^ You would think. But I actually called BAMA the day the mods were installed, updated ALL the information, had new tunes emailed to me that afternoon, updated my SCT with the new files, and then flashed the PCM...Car fired up, adjusted to the new Intake, and then seemed to run just fine. It got me to my tuner okay, but at wide open throttle on the dyno - PING!!!!! ....Like I said, I'm sure we could have hammered it out by having BAMA make adjustments to the A/F ratios, but that was a lot of phone-call / online back and forth hassle I didn't want to deal with.

Answering the title of the thread: A dyno tune is specific to the quirks of YOUR car. And with a reputable tuner that is a Mustang guru, they can better optimize ALL the parameters so you can get the most out of YOUR car.
I'm sorry to hear that you had some issues with your Bama tune. I actually have similar mods to you and run a 93 Bama Hybrid tune, with no revisions and no issues! I have full bolts on, including long tubes, boss manifold, throttle body etc.. On our in house Dyno Jet my car made 426 RWHP with just strapping it down. Air/Fuel ratio was perfect so we made no adjustments!

It sounds like we need to make some revisions to your Bama tune and I'd be willing to bet it's within 5 RWHP of your Dyno tune. If you'd like to give us another shot I'd be happy to get you in contact with our head tuning specialist! Just shoot me a PM with your order number included and I'll hook you up. Let me know!

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^ You would think. But I actually called BAMA the day the mods were installed, updated ALL the information, had new tunes emailed to me that afternoon, updated my SCT with the new files, and then flashed the PCM...Car fired up, adjusted to the new Intake, and then seemed to run just fine. It got me to my tuner okay, but at wide open throttle on the dyno - PING!!!!! ....Like I said, I'm sure we could have hammered it out by having BAMA make adjustments to the A/F ratios, but that was a lot of phone-call / online back and forth hassle I didn't want to deal with.
Thanks for clearing that up. Sorry it didn't work for ya.
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Maybe on a technical level, they're comparable to one another, but there are things that I found in a dyno experience that I don't believe that you will find in a canned tune. I find it a comfort to know the man who managed to pull an extra 40rwhp out of my engine. There's also something to be said for watching that car make a transformation while strapped down on a roller. Not to mention that if something goes wrong, you're already in a safe place where the problem can be corrected.
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This is very true. Everyone, at some point, should schedule a dyno for the learning experience for sure. But if u r saying ur dyno guy pulled an extra 40hp from what ur canned tune was, I am gonna have to call BS. If it is true, watch ur AFR...u r a couple points too lean and ur valves r not much longer for this world..next will be ur melted pistons..etc... Of course, if ur are FI with a ton of mods, then maybe. NA with basic bolt ons, not a chance in hell.
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Stock tune with Boss Intake was 364rwhp. After her tune, she managed to put down 404rwhp @ 7350rpm. Been checking for codes and so far zip and the car runs like a champ. My car was given a moderate tune and I was gifted with a strong engine. I'll give the tuner a call next week and see if he can send over the graphs and numbers. You're welcome to call BS all that you like, I'm only trying to share my experience. This site is replete with internet warriors, and I am not one of them.
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Thanks for clearing that up. Sorry it didn't work for ya.
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This is very true. Everyone, at some point, should schedule a dyno for the learning experience for sure. But if u r saying ur dyno guy pulled an extra 40hp from what ur canned tune was, I am gonna have to call BS. If it is true, watch ur AFR...u r a couple points too lean and ur valves r not much longer for this world..next will be ur melted pistons..etc... Of course, if ur are FI with a ton of mods, then maybe. NA with basic bolt ons, not a chance in hell.
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I'm with my man on this one.There ain't no way a dyno tune pulled 40 HP more over dudes canned tune that just had bolt on mods Unless the canned tune was done by a homeless crack head who is smoking the pipe, then I could see 40 more HP. I hate to call someone out but liar liar mustang engine on fire.

Someone MAYBE and I mean MAYBE get 2 to 5 rwhp from dyno tune over a canned tune with just bolt on mods and again , Maybe. The canned tunes from Bama, Steeda, MPT, Lund, VMP etc squeeze out the car' safe levels of power. Sure my MPT tune made 3 more rwhp over my bama tune but all give similar results.

Now, the only other explanation for the 40 added HP would be the dyno guy has ones cars WOT compression set so freaking high that ones engine is gonna blow up from running crazy lean.

The person is either lying about the dyno gain or find another dyno tuner because dudes ***** is gonna blow the F up.
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You're welcome to call BS all that you like, I'm only trying to share my experience. This site is replete with internet warriors, and I am not one of them.

Why would anyone call BS? Mine made 408/389 with a K&N drop in, JBA axle back, and a tune.
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Why would anyone call BS? Mine made 408/389 with a K&N drop in, JBA axle back, and a tune.
Huh? We said BS to a 40 HP more with bolt on mods and Dyno tune over canned tune.
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I think he meant the gains were made with bolt ons and a tune versus stock and no tune. That's the way I took it.
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I think he meant the gains were made with bolt ons and a tune versus stock and no tune. That's the way I took it.
Oh I see what your saying. So the 40 HP was from a stock engine with bolt ons and with the Dyno tune gained 40 HP. I can see that from coming with a dyno tune and bolt on mods. I would venture to say if done a canned tune on that same car with those same mods, the canned tune would pull 35 to 40 HP no problem just like the dyno tune..
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Oh I see what your saying. So the 40 HP was from a stock engine with bolt ons and with the Dyno tune gained 40 HP. I can see that from coming with a dyno tune and bolt on mods. I would venture to say if done a canned tune on that same car with those same mods, the canned tune would pull 35 to 40 HP no problem just like the dyno tune..
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I also see a dyno finding another 10 safe hp or so, not 40... Hence the BS call.
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These numbers are what canned tunes have gained also.
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Yep.
I also see a dyno finding another 10 safe hp or so, not 40... Hence the BS call.
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These numbers are what canned tunes have gained also.
I could see 10 HP on Dyno over canned but a big maybe. Its definitely a minimal gain for the cost of each dyno tune. Now, If someone has a SC, dyno tune all the way.

The canned tunes have amazing results. I dyno all three of my tunes and they showed similar HP and Torque results. Very similar results my Steeda, Bama and MPT.



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Before stock, and after: CAI, cat deletes, borla atak axel backs, and a bama 93 hybrid tune.
85 degree hot Florida days btw, and raining!
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85 degree hot Florida days btw, and raining!

Nice pull! Looks like STD correction factor was enabled and it should negate the weather conditions anyway. If it was uncorrected, weather can really affect the results.
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Before stock, and after: CAI, cat deletes, borla atak axel backs, and a bama 93 hybrid tune.
85 degree hot Florida days btw, and raining!
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Man, nice numbers 400 rwhp. With some long tube headers you probably gain 20 rwhp up to 420.

Heck I'm only pulling 297 rwhp on my 2011 V6 with 91 MPT tune, CAI, Long tube headers, Off road x pipe and Flowmaster axle backs. Lol. I need FI to get in the 400 rwhp range. Just a little procharger and a money tree. Lol
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LOL Rapinator knows me... I love to joke around had him going once. I think he'll be fine this time. Damn maybe i'm a troll too...LOL

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