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Old 12-27-2013, 04:00 PM   #1
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hey guys so last Friday I was in an accident with my 99 3.8l v6. I've been looking around for a new car and recently came across an 04 Gt. I went and looked at it because it's seriously underpriced at around $4200 negotiable, with 100k Miles. I went to go look at it and I popped open the hood and noticed the wheel well was missing. they replaced the fender bc it was hit on the passengers side. so it has no air filter on the air intake anymore either. I check the oil and it is murky/white but not foamy. the car has been sitting for around 2 years supposedly. now worst case scenario I'm thinking it could be the head gasket leaking. or it could just be condensation in the oil because it's been sitting for so long. do you guys think it could be the head gasket or just condensation. what would you guys think? if it's just condensation the car would be a steal if I can get it for $3500-4k. the car is overall pretty clean as well. here are a few pics:

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Hmmmm if its been sitting for that long its gonna need all the fluids changed, and flushed out. I dunno man, from all you've said I assume you haven't heard it run, I'd pass on it. Even if you get it for 1500, it looks to be a big project and one you probably wouldn't enjoy. Even if you do get it started, because it sat for so long, I guarantee things are going to start going bad on it. It will add up.

I'm not trying to be a downer, but take the money you were gonna use and either do a down payment on a newer one, or wait until you find a better condition new edge. This car just makes me nervous.
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Got any more info on this car?.. Such as more pics, or a link to the site the individual is selling this car through?.. Just some thing doesn't look/feel right about it!.. Just my opinion!..
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Got any more info on this car?.. Such as more pics, or a link to the site the individual is selling this car through?.. Just some thing doesn't look/feel right about it!.. Just my opinion!..
the page is misleading, has no real info on the car haha so no need for it.

haha I know something doesn't feel right but the car looks good from what I can tell.

the guy is also Ecuadorian, like full on Spanish so I don't think he knows what the car is worth haha

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Personally I don't get a warm fuzzy about this car!.. I would hold on to your hard earned cash and look for some thing not so questionable!..

Does it list any mods done to the car?..
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nope I looked at it tho.. seems to have flow masters and make a high performance clutch in it. clutch & shifter is like a hot knife thru butter when shifting as well. sounds beautiful. brakes are a hit rusty but that's just tlc. only problem may be a heads gasket leak or its just condensation! I may pick it up. If I can get it for $3.8k or somewhere around that I think it'll be a steal

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nope I looked at it tho.. seems to have flow masters and make a high performance clutch in it. clutch & shifter is like a hot knife thru butter when shifting as well. sounds beautiful. brakes are a hit rusty but that's just tlc. only problem may be a heads gasket leak or its just condensation! I may pick it up. If I can get it for $3.8k or somewhere around that I think it'll be a steal

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So you have started it and driven it.... Do a compression check on the cylinders or a leak down test to determine if the gaskets are bad.
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So you have started it and driven it.... Do a compression check on the cylinders or a leak down test to determine if the gaskets are bad.
good idea, thanks.

can anyone identify this color orange?
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good idea, thanks.

can anyone identify this color orange?
Competition orange
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good idea, thanks.

can anyone identify this color orange?

It looks like competition orange paint color code is CY
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that's what I was thinking but it's not really a dark orange, it's actually pretty bright. but I will check the paint code next time thanks

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Just check the obvious .. If door jams or engine bay matches the exterior paint.

Looks like aftermarket because mirrors and hood grille is painted.

If the oil has water and is milky than oil has water in it.

Best bet is the buy oil and do a oil change and inspect the drained oil for water .. It's pretty obvious..
Or drive it for a good 15 min and watch the temp gauge.
Check radiator resv. Too for rusty water

2 years is a long time to sit ..
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Just check the obvious .. If door jams or engine bay matches the exterior paint.

Looks like aftermarket because mirrors and hood grille is painted.

If the oil has water and is milky than oil has water in it.

Best bet is the buy oil and do a oil change and inspect the drained oil for water .. It's pretty obvious..
Or drive it for a good 15 min and watch the temp gauge.
Check radiator resv. Too for rusty water

2 years is a long time to sit ..
yeah when/if pick it up, I'll do an oil change asap. door doesn't jam and it does match engine bay paint I believe if I recall correctly. it has a new radiator so I'm not worried about that really, as well

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Hmmmm if its been sitting for that long its gonna need all the fluids changed, and flushed out. I dunno man, from all you've said I assume you haven't heard it run, I'd pass on it. Even if you get it for 1500, it looks to be a big project and one you probably wouldn't enjoy. Even if you do get it started, because it sat for so long, I guarantee things are going to start going bad on it. It will add up.

I'm not trying to be a downer, but take the money you were gonna use and either do a down payment on a newer one, or wait until you find a better condition new edge. This car just makes me nervous.
+1 I have a bad vibe from it... Cars you try to "score" on seem to backfire on a lot of people and you end up spending more than you could have bought a better one for...
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Hmmmm if its been sitting for that long its gonna need all the fluids changed, and flushed out. I dunno man, from all you've said I assume you haven't heard it run, I'd pass on it. Even if you get it for 1500, it looks to be a big project and one you probably wouldn't enjoy. Even if you do get it started, because it sat for so long, I guarantee things are going to start going bad on it. It will add up.

I'm not trying to be a downer, but take the money you were gonna use and either do a down payment on a newer one, or wait until you find a better condition new edge. This car just makes me nervous.
well it started right up, no clicking or clanking, synchro was great, clutch was great, had a new radiator and other parts, clean fluids I check the accessible ones. it was low on brake fluid and power steering. only thing that scared me was the watery oil, but I believe that was just condensation & not a head gasket leak. I'll do a compression test as well next time I take a look at it.

the guy is from Ecuador and it's his brothers car but he moved back to Ecuador and now the guy selling is strapped for money bc his brothers two cars have been sitting and he has to pay expensive parking there so he's selling the car. he doesn't really know what the car is worth I'm guessing.

the car was hit on the passenger side he said but it was fixed and body work was done new panels and lights & such. the airbag light is on since they never got that fixed but the airbags were professionally put back it as far as I could tell.




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I say walk away!!! The light for the airbag should not be on if it was fixed professionally!..
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I gotcha. I'd definitely Carfax it too. It very well could be condensation, change the oil before you buy it. Check the old oil, and take it for a spirited drive. Assuming the compression test comes back good.
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I say walk away!!! The light for the airbag should not be on if it was fixed professionally!..
i don't know for sure if it was done professionally, but the panels are back perfectly. Which I think only professionals could do. or since the brother was in a body shop for work they just did a quick job there and never got the computer retuned for it

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I gotcha. I'd definitely Carfax it too. It very well could be condensation, change the oil before you buy it. Check the old oil, and take it for a spirited drive. Assuming the compression test comes back good.
yeah I'll definately change the oil and take it for a real drive to see how it performs

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i don't know for sure if it was done professionally, but the panels are back perfectly. Which I think only professionals could do. or since the brother was in a body shop for work they just did a quick job there and never got the computer retuned for it

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yeah I'll definately change the oil and take it for a real drive to see how it performs

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I would also like to throw in a friendly "Don't believe people that are trying to sell you their car" statement.
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I gotcha. I'd definitely Carfax it too. It very well could be condensation, change the oil before you buy it. Check the old oil, and take it for a spirited drive. Assuming the compression test comes back good.
Carfax doesn't always get information about accidents. The current owner may have not had full coverage, so if he hit something, he would be responsible for the costs of the repairs.

It sounds like he just pieced this car back together so sell it.

WALK AWAY FROM THIS ONE!
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I would also like to throw in a friendly "Don't believe people that are trying to sell you their car" statement.
+11. Get the car completely looked at by a shop!.. Also if the car was in a accident and the airbags deployed, if they where not replaced professionally by a shop, insurance will not cover you!.. Seeing as you seem to be dead set on getting this car, get proof that the airbags were reinstalled by a shop!..
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Carfax doesn't always get information about accidents. The current owner may have not had full coverage, so if he hit something, he would be responsible for the costs of the repairs.

It sounds like he just pieced this car back together so sell it.

WALK AWAY FROM THIS ONE!
Well you do have a point, but its still a good idea to spend a few bucks on that rather than end up with a lemon. Plus like the OP said if airbags were professionally installed, So unless everything was done under the table (possible but chances are small), its more than likely going to have it on the report. And with that being said, ask the seller for documentation on the repairs

And I agree with passing on it lol
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Walk away. Sounds like a bs sob story from owner. Don't trust them. Watery oil? Just think of worst case how much you would have to spend to make it right. New motor, body work etc. if you get it. Best of luck to you.
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Alright guys, so i grabbed the car. everything is pretty much well, great! the only thing really "wrong" with the car is it is missing the air intake filter and arm (leading into fender area) off the stock cai. the bumper needs to get painted to match the comp orange i think as well. all in all, its was a price i could refuse, (im 20, and paid 3.9k for it).

the only other thing is that the motor is pretty dirty, as in dusty and what not. how would i go about cleaning it? any tips would be helpful, thanks!

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Alright guys, so i grabbed the car. everything is pretty much well, great! the only thing really "wrong" with the car is it is missing the air intake filter and arm (leading into fender area) off the stock cai. the bumper needs to get painted to match the comp orange i think as well. all in all, its was a price i could refuse, (im 20, and paid 3.9k for it).

the only other thing is that the motor is pretty dirty, as in dusty and what not. how would i go about cleaning it? any tips would be helpful, thanks!

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Good buy welcome to the comp orange club I'm kinda hating becuz I bought an 04 same color with a v6 with 113000 miles for 8000, I feel like I got over on now
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Good buy welcome to the comp orange club I'm kinda hating becuz I bought an 04 same color with a v6 with 113000 miles for 8000, I feel like I got over on now
hehe, thanks man! I'm really liking this color. the car has 106k miles on it & well this guy really didn't understand the value of the car, so I kinda grabbed it right away before someone else could. I took a risk but the oil was just condensated and not a head gasket leak. the guy actually got new brakes for it before I picked it up, so that was pretty sweet too. I just want to buy a cai/tune & some other perf mods. I'm not sure with gear ratio of has. is there any way of finding out? or only up on a lift?

I had a 99 v6 before this and this things growls like no other with the flow masters on it. I'm loving it. I just have to change the oil asap, get some tlc new spark plugs, etc and it should be good to go!

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hehe, thanks man! I'm really liking this color. the car has 106k miles on it & well this guy really didn't understand the value of the car, so I kinda grabbed it right away before someone else could. I took a risk but the oil was just condensated and not a head gasket leak. the guy actually got new brakes for it before I picked it up, so that was pretty sweet too. I just want to buy a cai/tune & some other perf mods. I'm not sure with gear ratio of has. is there any way of finding out? or only up on a lift?

I had a 99 v6 before this and this things growls like no other with the flow masters on it. I'm loving it. I just have to change the oil asap, get some tlc new spark plugs, etc and it should be good to go!

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That's good man that was a great buy u came across, not really much u have to do to it maint wise but deff enjoy it it looks good
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Glad you're happy with it, even though some of us suggested you not get it before it was checked out, but that's all that matters. As you can tell, its a big difference from you're prior car!

As for the gears, it should be 3.27's from the factory. As for aftermarket, the only way to know for sure is to check the rear on a lift. They say depending on how many revolutions the drive shaft makes when the wheels are turned one rotation can indicate; but I forget the specifics.
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Glad you're happy with it, even though some of us suggested you not get it before it was checked out, but that's all that matters. As you can tell, its a big difference from you're prior car!

As for the gears, it should be 3.27's from the factory. As for aftermarket, the only way to know for sure is to check the rear on a lift. They say depending on how many revolutions the drive shaft makes when the wheels are turned one rotation can indicate; but I forget the specifics.
yeah I had my father help look it over and he's been building and fixing cars/motorcycles and **** for ages. he said nothing was too wrong with it so I went for it and came out pretty lucky! I feel like I stole it but that's besides the point.

and oh yes it is a much different ride, power etc. I'm loving it.

as for the gears I will get them looked at and have to whole car professionally looked at as well. (my dad's a legit pro when working on cars but not a pro pro I'd say haha)

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And it wasn't a bad price by any means, especially with the miles; Its alittle under average (according to KBB )
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And it wasn't a bad price by any means, especially with the miles; Its alittle under average (according to KBB )
it's a premium as well. in my area (long Island NY) they're kbb value is at fair 7.1k-8.4k excellent condition. so I bought it for a nice couple grand off

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Yeah here in fl its around 6.5k, so still pretty decent
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it's a premium as well. in my area (long Island NY) they're kbb value is at fair 7.1k-8.4k excellent condition. so I bought it for a nice couple grand off Sent from my SCH-I545 using Mustang Evolution mobile app
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Glad you love it and congrats on the purchase... Now pray it doesn't come back and bite you in the future.
I have a good feeling about it, but yes I will be praying no doubt

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