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Old 12-27-2013, 07:28 PM   #1
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Looking into a 5.0

I'm looking into upgrading to a coyote in the spring I was wondering what the differences were across 11-14 as far as the performance, packages and different upgrades ford made over the years. Thanks in advance.
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I've heard issues with the 2011 eating up oil.
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Gotcha that's a good thing to know thanks
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One other quick tip I know is that they bumped the HP from 412 in 2012 to 420 in 2013. Torque remained equal at 390.
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No major changes. When the package comes out this strong, you don't need alot of renos in 3 years.

Of significance are:

'12 Ford changes fluid in the MTs mid-year to smooth cold weather shifting
'13 gets a facelift and track apps toy in dash, and Brembo Brake Package becomes available in automatic cars. 8 more horses supposedly appear.
13+ Track pack becomes an option adding to the already solid BBP, adding mainly various cooling bits from the B302 and a Torsen rear.

Trouble spots are the manual trans, either you get a good one or you're one of the unlucky minority that have problems. No way of telling new but, if the car's older and made it here without turning into a crashbox or whining like a roots blower, it's fine.

This isn't every change but, ones worth noting. Pick one you like and enjoy.
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i am thinking to sell mine this Spring 2011 GT PREMIUM Brembo package and Blue racing stripes. 8000 miles drive it only on Weekends.
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Test drive one and u will be hooked, also read this http://e2.ma/webview/hqe7q/8454473d2...9f961bc7e49fd1
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Wow thanks for all the helpful advice! I was planning on test driving as soon as I can

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And akstang I'll keep that in mind wen I start looking
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What I like about this car is it over-delivers on its promises.

The performance level this car is capable of with only 5.0 litres of V8 underhood and a factory "handling package" in BBP, is pretty astounding. The tiniest tweaks produce very impressive results. Lots of cars you can shovel money at endlessly to improve performance only very minimally. Such is not the case here.

In my case, basically tightening up the rear control arms slightly and slapping a slick tire on put the car in the 11s. Recently, changing the PZero Summer factory tire for a Michelin Pilot Sport also significantly improved ride and handling.
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That's exactly what I've heard and read and that's what I'm looking for I love my 05 but the power what I want just isn't there.
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Roger that. I'll be honest, I've had four Mustangs and as long as Ford wandered along with the 4.6, I wasn't going to buy another. The performance value for dollar wasn't there for me.

I loved the 2010 restyle but I needed something more contemporary in the engine bay. Woot, 2011 came and yay, what I'd been begging for became real.
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It's not that the 4.6 is a bad motor it just doesn't have the potential the coyote does.
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You're right; it's just weak by today's standards. Basically a healthy tune-only 5.0 will do close to numbers a 4.6 would need a supercharger and be close to scattering its stock internals all over the road for.

Can you build it to make mega power? Yes, but, you really have to do the whole thing, whole hog, big money layout. That can be said of almost any engine, though.
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That is all true. Which is why I'm looking to upgrade
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The 5.0's are great because they are ready for just about any mod you want to slap on there. Even a supercharger kit. No intense building up of the engine necessary.
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Old 12-28-2013, 10:00 PM   #16
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The 5.0's are great because they are ready for just about any mod you want to slap on there. Even a supercharger kit. No intense building up of the engine necessary.

If you go with the Ford Racing 525HP SC then yes, maybe the Roush 575 SC, but that's pushing it, I'd forge the internals for anything over 550.
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Which, on point, would need a race strength build on a 4.6......
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If you go with the Ford Racing 525HP SC then yes, maybe the Roush 575 SC, but that's pushing it, I'd forge the internals for anything over 550.
Agreed. I was just saying its not absolutely necessary. I personally think you could get away with it if your not beating it every time your in it.
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Agreed. I was just saying its not absolutely necessary. I personally think you could get away with it if your not beating it every time your in it.

Probably, but I'd still forge it, better to spend 3-5K for safety, instead of blowing the engine and having to buy, then forge, a new engine.
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Probably, but I'd still forge it, better to spend 3-5K for safety, instead of blowing the engine and having to buy, then forge, a new engine.
As would I!
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I thought the coyote could handle more than 550 wheel on stock internals
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I thought the coyote could handle more than 550 wheel on stock internals
It can as many are doing it.
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It can as many are doing it.
I know a guy running around 700 RWHP on a stock 5.0 TT but I wouldn't do it.
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I thought the coyote could handle more than 550 wheel on stock internals

It can handle it, but most all reported coyote engine failures start at about the 550-575 mark.
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If you go with the Ford Racing 525HP SC then yes, maybe the Roush 575 SC, but that's pushing it, I'd forge the internals for anything over 550.
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It can handle it, but most all reported coyote engine failures start at about the 550-575 mark.
The Ford Racing 525 and Roush 575 aren't RWHP numbers and both are safe on stock engines. That's why both are covered but warranties.
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The Ford Racing 525 and Roush 575 aren't RWHP numbers and both are safe on stock engines. That's why both are covered but warranties.

Woops, that's crank HP, so yeah, that's safe. Guess I'll start saving up for forged internals and the Ford Racing 624HP SC😄. A friend of mine is saving up for the 525 SC.
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Woops, that's crank HP, so yeah, that's safe. Guess I'll start saving up for forged internals and the Ford Racing 624HP SC. A friend of mine is saving up for the 525 SC.
The 624 would still be safe on stock engine especially an auto
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The 624 would still be safe on stock engine especially an auto

It would?
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It would?
624(crank)×0.81(19%loss)=505.44 RWHP est

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One day I'll be at 500 RWHP N/A no blower needed
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624(crank)×0.81(19%loss)=505.44 RWHP est

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One day I'll be at 500 RWHP N/A no blower needed

Lucky, if I knew how to drive stick, then I would also eventually have 500 NA.
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Thanks everyone for all the help
And mustangz it's not hard to learn how to drive stick. Just need time and a car to learn on
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Thanks everyone for all the help
And mustangz it's not hard to learn how to drive stick. Just need time and a car to learn on

I'm sure it isn't hard, I know what to do, but my dad won't let me learn yet.
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Oh well that could get in the way
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Oh well that could get in the way

Yeah. Because of not knowing how to drive stick, I missed out on a 2013 red Boss 302...
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Getting to be something of a lost art these days, as manuals trans become more obsolete. The Mustang GT is actually one of the few cars left in which the manual outsells the automatic. About 75% of the GTs produced for 2012, for example, were manual.
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