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Old 12-29-2013, 01:53 AM   #1
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O3 cobra or wait for 15 GT

So my next vehicle will be a mustang but I am not sure which direction I want to go. I really like the 2015 mustang but I have heard some great things about the 03-04 cobra, more specifically about the engine.
I am not a mustang expert by any means. (The main reason I am on this forum.) So just how good are the cobra engines compared to some of the current 5.0 engines? (I am assuming that the 2015 will have some enhancements over the current 5.0 engine.)
What would be the best bang for the buck for performance as well as being a nice mustang?
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I don't know alot about engines or anything but one thing you got to look at how rare the car is 03 cobra are a pretty unique car there is going to be plenty 2015 gt's tho if it was me I'd go cobra
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One thing to remember is that the Terminators don't come with a warranty and it's extremely hard to find one that hasn't been abused by a previous owner at some point in time. In that regard the new 5.0 is great, but at the same time the Cobra reacts quite well to simple mods and has room to grow. The new 5.0 does have a much better chassis, interior, brake options, etc. it's quite a tough choice between the two. I would personally go with the Terminator
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Very good points Mile high JDF. I would hope that a low mileage Cobra that was all stock would not have been abused too much. But I guess that is the chance you take with any used vehicle.

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Low mileage stock Cobras are getting extremely tough to find unfortunately, and tend to be quite expensive when they do pop up.
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The 03/04 Cobra is the only Mustang to ever come with true forged internals from the factory.
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Forged = durability....correct?

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Easy.... Go termi or youll regret it promise
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I would wait and see what the '15 brings to the table.

03/04 Cobras are over rated. Besides being able to make 600 whp somewhat reliably and somewhat cheaply, what do they offer? IRS? Collectability? That's about it.

For the prices that these Cobras go for, I would just spend the extra money on a 5.0. Unless you are getting a hell of a deal on one.
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Easy.... Go termi or youll regret it promise
Doubt that verry highly
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If it were me, wait for the '15. The Mustang's build quality and drivability has done nothing but improve since the SN95.

But if modding is something you are really in to, expect nothing in the way of mods for a while after the 2015 is released. Ye be warned.
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I would wait and see what the '15 brings to the table.

03/04 Cobras are over rated. Besides being able to make 600 whp somewhat reliably and somewhat cheaply, what do they offer? IRS? Collectability? That's about it.

For the prices that these Cobras go for, I would just spend the extra money on a 5.0. Unless you are getting a hell of a deal on one.
Jealous much? lol

On topic...they are two completely different animals. The Cobra is wild and untamed. The new 5.0 is tame and sophisticated. I enjoy things like a clutch cable and throttle cable. No amount of computer feedback will match the real thing.

I get thumbs up and smiles everytime I drive my Cobra. Not a big fan of blending in.
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Jealous much? lol

On topic...they are two completely different animals. The Cobra is wild and untamed. The new 5.0 is tame and sophisticated. I enjoy things like a clutch cable and throttle cable. No amount of computer feedback will match the real thing.

I get thumbs up and smiles everytime I drive my Cobra. Not a big fan of blending in.
Why would I be jealous of a slower car?

I have ran several terminator Cobras, only a few have been faster than my H/C/I sprayed LS1, all of which were not the stock supercharger. Also, after several runs, those cars were significantly slower, heat soak ftw.

The stock Eaton Cobra's with full bolt ons (pulleys, intake, exhaust, tune) are only capable of around 460 - 480rwhp. I wouldn't call that impressive in the slightest, although it's easily done.

I would rather have a bolt on and sprayed Coyote than a stock blower 03/04 Cobra. The '15 5.0 will easily be the better car.


Also, why are the 03/04 Cobras referred to as Terminators?
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Also, why are the 03/04 Cobras referred to as Terminators?
Because the Governator wouldve sounded stupid
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Why would I be jealous of a slower car?

I have ran several terminator Cobras, only a few have been faster than my H/C/I sprayed LS1, all of which were not the stock supercharger. Also, after several runs, those cars were significantly slower, heat soak ftw.

The stock Eaton Cobra's with full bolt ons (pulleys, intake, exhaust, tune) are only capable of around 460 - 480rwhp. I wouldn't call that impressive in the slightest, although it's easily done.

I would rather have a bolt on and sprayed Coyote than a stock blower 03/04 Cobra. The '15 5.0 will easily be the better car.


Also, why are the 03/04 Cobras referred to as Terminators?

Not everything is about straight line speed. The cobra was also built to be somewhat of a road race car, not just drag race. One of the reasons it is the only Mustang (before the '15) to have IRS.

And as dumb as this may sound to you the name of a Cobra is going to hold its value more than most other cars because of the heritage behind it.
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The 03/04 Cobra is named the "Terminator" because it will outrun any 03/04 Camaro in existence.
That's a fact...
And it will be that way until the end of time.

That's why Ish...
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Depends what kind of mustang guy you are. The cobra is for guys who have a garage full of tools and a drive to go fast. If you want a car that's easy to drive, refined, fast and nice inside, then you need the new 15. If you're ready to bust out the sockets to build a seriously fast car, then get the cobra.
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The 03/04 Cobra is named the "Terminator" because it will outrun any 03/04 Camaro in existence.
That's a fact...
And it will be that way until the end of time.

That's why Ish...
Nah. Terminator was actually the internal Ford codeword for the car while in development.
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OP , I say go for the 2015 mustang. Stock vs Stock, the 2015 will be faster than the Cobra Terminator along with world class refinement. If you want pure raw , caveman power, 03/04 Terminator all the way. If you want to drink your Starbucks chocolate, caramel, drizzle , mocachino whatever while reading the Wal Street journal , go with the 2015 bro.

If you want pure, raw , sex on a stick , hot trailer park girl go round the outside go with Cobra.

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Nah. Terminator was actually the internal Ford codeword for the car while in development.
I thought it was called the Terminator because everything it raced , it would terminate and kick its back side.
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Lmao. Either way , there both bad butt kicking cars. Awesome in a different way.
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Get whatever you want, wait till the 2015 is out and test drive it and find a good low mileage all stock Terminator and test drive it too. Also test drive a 2011-2014 Coyote while you are at it.

The newer cars are going to be smoother, more refined, more options etc... The Terminator is great if you want a bare bones, pissed off, fast car and don't mind having 0 creature comforts and interior designed in the early 90s and a chassis design released in 1978. The Terminator is HIGHLY modifiable and yes it is the only Mustang to come with true drop steel forged internals ever. That being said, the sinter forged stuff in the Coyote is pretty stout and you will not have a problem up and over the 600hp mark which is where the Terminator's forged pistons start to get sketch too.

I'd get a 2011-2014 GT in really good shape myself. Prices should start going down when the 2015 releases unless it sucks and then they might very well go up. I know the drag racing crowd is not exactly excited about the SRA going away and it might be some time before someone makes a kit to retrofit in an 8.8 into the new model for the 1/4 guys.
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Based on Konas rational I would go with the new Mustang !!!!!!
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Based on Konas rational I would go with the new Mustang !!!!!!
I have to agree, go with new mustang but will confess. I always been weak around the knees for a good naughty, trashy brunette. Lmao. That's gospel of the difference between the two. Great analogy. Lol
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The 03/04 Cobra is named the "Terminator" because it will outrun any 03/04 Camaro in existence.
That's a fact...
And it will be that way until the end of time.

That's why Ish...
Haha .. I don't know. I heard those 03/04 Camaro's are very rare and very fast.
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Haha .. I don't know. I heard those 03/04 Camaro's are very rare and very fast.
Not as quick as the 05/06 Camaro's. There even more rare.
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OP , I say go for the 2015 mustang. Stock vs Stock, the 2015 will be faster than the Cobra Terminator along with world class refinement. If you want pure raw , caveman power, 03/04 Terminator all the way. If you want to drink your Starbucks chocolate, caramel, drizzle , mocachino whatever while reading the Wal Street journal , go with the 2015 bro.

If you want pure, raw , sex on a stick , hot trailer park girl go round the outside go with Cobra.

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I thought it was called the Terminator because everything it raced , it would terminate and kick its back side.

This is hilarious and true, buddy has an 03 cobra and it's a sick car. Something about them makes me want want to sit in the garage next to my 14GT...
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Not as quick as the 05/06 Camaro's. There even more rare.
That is true. Didn't the 05/06 Camaro's transform into giant robots or something? I thought I read that somewhere on LS1tech.
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That is true. Didn't the 05/06 Camaro's transform into giant robots or something? I thought I read that somewhere on LS1tech.
Giant polar bear robots. Lmao

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This is hilarious and true, buddy has an 03 cobra and it's a sick car. Something about them makes me want want to sit in the garage next to my 14GT...
I would love to add an 03-04 Cobra to my collection. I can't say I'm a huge fan of that model design but its wicked engine is awesome. Just a raw, sexy, beast.
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I honestly think the New Edge is the sexiest Mustang they ever did. But I'm also one of the ppl who thinks the same thing about the SN95 and I know I'm in the minority there. I do know mine is an exception to the rule. Most SN95s are beat to hell these days.
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[QUOTE="scottydsntknow;1917906"Most SN95s are beat to hell these days.[/QUOTE]

And its a shame. They are such nice cars when you see a clean one. I'm looking for a 94 or 95 as we speak. They are an amazing value
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And its a shame. They are such nice cars when you see a clean one. I'm looking for a 94 or 95 as we speak. They are an amazing value
Yep if you want an updated interior and the old style engine they are great. I'd look for a Cobra if I were you. Amazing bang for the buck with the GT40 motor and very often they are much better taken care of than a GT. Also they aren't really all that much more, they just haven't held their value. I've seen low mileage ones in great shape sell for $7k-$8k.
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Yep if you want an updated interior and the old style engine they are great. I'd look for a Cobra if I were you. Amazing bang for the buck with the GT40 motor and very often they are much better taken care of than a GT. Also they aren't really all that much more, they just haven't held their value. I've seen low mileage ones in great shape sell for $7k-$8k.
Someone else was talking about that last night on Facebook how the 03-04 Cobras have gone down in value quite big. The Cobras haven't held their value lately like they have in the past. They weren't sure if its because the 15 model had been revealed or what.
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